2016 Rumor Mill: Trades and Players to Watch

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    Noah got hurt again. Yeah may be best to stay away from him. Still a good player, but he cannot stay healthy.
     
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    Hibbert plays like he's hurt.
     
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    Whiteside with 19, 17, and 11 BLOCKS tonight against Denver.

    Please, please sign this guy.
     
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    So that's a NO for me. Thanks Sirron.
     
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    I've heard he doesn't fit in Miami's culture, but this is all I've seen so far. And some recent tweets...

     
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    Has anyone actually confirmed all that?
     
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    Yet Lakers fans embraced Ron Artest. Why? Because he came to play.

    http://grantland.com/features/an-oral-history-malice-palace/

    “After we calmed down, [Artest] looked at me like, ‘Jack, you think we going to get in trouble?’ Jamaal Tinsley fell out laughing. I said, ‘Are you serious, bro? Trouble? Ron, we’ll be lucky if we have a freaking job.’ That lets me know he wasn’t in his right mind, to ask that question.” —Stephen Jackson
     
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    Dumb + lazy is the wrong combination for a player. If that tweet is true I want no part of Whiteside.
     
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    I Googled "Hassan Whitside work ethic":
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-dave-hyde-commentary-0129-20150128-column.html


    In the beginning: "When Hassan came from Marshall, he had no clue,'' Riley said. "He just didn't have that basketball IQ. I remember seeing Marshall just put him in a zone in the middle of the court, and he just stood there. He didn't know how to play man-to-man defense."


    Now: Pay Riley on Whiteside: "I hadn't seen him for a year and half, and I said, 'This is not the same Hassan,' '' he said. "His sojourn around the world, in all the different leagues, not only humbled him but he learned to play."

    Whiteside matured physically from 220 pounds in college to 260 pounds. But equally noticeable to Riley was how Whiteside was harder. Hungrier.

    "He'd got to the point where this was important to him,'' Riley said.

    Maybe people change, and maybe there are two sides to every story.
     
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    DeMar DeRozan's play profile:
    29.7% of his plays are PnR ball handler; he averages 0.98 PPP, which is in the 91st percentile (ahead of Westbrook, Lillard, Paul, Harden, e.g.)
    17.6% of his plays are in ISO situations. He averages 0.88 PPP, which is 60th percentile.
    13.7% of the time he's off a screen, for 0.79 PPP, which is in the 26th percentile.
    He spots up 10.9% of the time, for .95 PPP, which is in the 51st percentile.
    He posts up 10.3% of the time, putting up .95 PPP, which is 78th percentile.
    7.7% of his plays are Transition; he averages 1.13 Points Per Possession, and that is in the 55th percentile.
    He takes a hand off 4.3% of the time, for 0.95 PPP, which is in the 64th percentile.
    He cuts 1.6% of the time, for 1.47 PPP, which is 89th percentile.
    He almost never is the roll man, but he converted his only attempt.
    --Aside from working off the screen, he's a good scorer, and he knows his strengths as a scorer, taking ~43% of his shots in ways in which he is in the top 1/4 of the league in terms of proficiency.

    Whiteside:
    22% of his plays are putbacks, for 1.17 PPP, in the 70th percentile.
    22% of his plays are post ups, for 0.63 PPP, which is in the 16th percentile.
    --Along with the PnR stats, there you have it - his strengths and weaknesses.
     
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    I've heard he's still quite a meathead over in Miami. Bosh jokes about it a lot. I don't know that you can fix "dumb", but you can fix "immature". Some of those really spoke to immaturity. If he's really grown up, then I don't see any problems. Obviously we'd have to do our homework.
     
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    Whiteside is obviously hungry, determined, motivated, and more mature than he seemed in those Kings stories. However, the $ million question (literally) is "Does a $20 million pay day resurrect the immature, lazy young man?"
     
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    Imagine our team with a healthy Andrew Bynum. Just wasn't meant to be. :speechless:
     
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    For what it's worth Noah just separated his shoulder again...

    He might be a bargain bin type of big man this summer after everything is said and done.
     
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    Whiteside actually reminds me a lot of Bynum. Not as skilled, but he's got great size, length, a great rim protector, shown he can hit that little 15 foot shot, has decent footwork, and unfortunately has some of the same maturity issues.
     
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    Thanks for posting that. Good read. Nuanced situation.
     
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    Sounds like a good guy to have a mature veteran presence around to mentor and to help keep his head out of his arse
     
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    Kyle lowry is the best player on that team. Hands down
     
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