Star Wars Thread (a Galaxy Far Far Away) Obi-Wan Movie In The Works! (36)

Spoiler: Spoilers and Theories

I don't think Kylo and Rey are related. Nor do I lean towards the idea that Rey is a descendant of Luke's, I thought she could be his daughter at first but have backed off that little. I do think they were both pupil's of Luke's jedi academy and knew each other. Rey was the superior student, Ben couldn't handle it. He had this expectation of himself as someone who had Skywalker blood that he should be the best. Frustration, ambition, jealousy, anger, all caused him to turn to the dark side. Like Owen and Leia/Han said, there's too much Anakin in him. So either he falls into Snoke's lap by chance or sought him out, or Snoke sought Ben out. Ben joins the Knights of Ren and becomes Kylo Ren. They slaughter the jedi and somehow Luke and Rey escape. Her memory is lost/altered in the process. Maybe Luke force-wiped her mind, but I won't rule out that her memories were compromised in some conflict with Kylo Ren. So the visions she sees when she touches the lightsaber may not be memories, but could be either literal or symbolic visions. So maybe she wasn't necessarily a little girl when she was left on Jakku. Regardless, for her own safety Luke then leaves her on Jakku and goes into exile, which mirrors what Yoda did after failing to stop the Emperor. Later when Rey touches the lightsaber, which is probably shrouded heavily in the force given that it belonged to both Anakin and Luke, it awakens the force inside her. This effect is later amplified when Kylo tries to mind-rape her.

As for any romance between Rey and Finn, I think they laid groundwork for that possibility in the future but also left room to back off that idea. Personally, I saw it as them being really close friends. As far as they know, they are the first friends that they have ever had. One was a raised as a stormtrooper from birth, one was abandoned on a planet to scratch out a meager living. I mean I guess Poe and Finn certainly bonded under duress during their escape, but they didn't have enough time to develop a deeper friendship. Honestly, I would prefer if there was no romance angle between Rey and Finn.

I think Finn is the wildcard in this new group. The writers/director have creative license to take him anywhere. Poe is like a cross between Wedge and Han. Rey is the new Luke. BB is the droid obviously. Finn's backstory is unique. He doesn't fit the Leia or Chewie archetype...he's a very interesting character to me. Wonder what direction they'll take him.

 

Spoiler: Plot Theory

I just had ANOTHER interesting idea about Finn to add to my previous post. So a couple moments stood out as odd to me whenever it came to Kylo and Finn. We first see an instance of this at the very beginning of the movie. After Kylo captured Poe and is walking back to his ship, he stops and takes a long look at Finn. Why the special attention? Is it just that he senses that Finn lacks resolve or is it something more? When Poe escapes, immediately Kylo is able to deduce the stormtrooper who helped him is FN-2187. That's pretty weird that he would know the specific stormtrooper down to the number. Then near the end of the movie right before Kylo has a lightsaber duel with Finn, he screams TRAITOR rather passionately, as if there was more to it than just him being a turncoat. This is an awful lot of attention to be paying to just a random former stormtrooper. I mean this couldn't have been the first time a stormtrooper has decided to ditch the First Order.

Anyways, what if there is a connection between those two we have yet to see? We don't know anything about Finn's past. We do know that he was taken as a small child and reconditioned to become a stormtrooper. What if Ben, Finn, and Rey all used to know each other when they were children? What if they were ALL pupils at Luke's academy? They may have even been some sort of prodigies. Maybe they became friends? Maybe Finn and Rey were closer to each other and that made Ben jealous, or maybe Ben and Finn were really close but there was some sort of perceived personal "betrayal" that would explain the oomph to his TRAITOR scream later.

We know that Kylo Ren appeared to be an adult when the jedi academy massacre took place (from Rey's force vision). But what if THAT Kylo Ren was NOT Ben Organa-Solo (maybe his name wasn't even Kylo Ren!). Anyone could wear a mask, and it still could have been one of Luke's students gone to the dark side. This way the statement that "one of his students" went to the dark side and killed everyone is still true. Remember how they played with "a certain point of view" when it came to saying "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" in the OT? This could be one of those things.

Now perhaps Ben in an act of treachery somehow gives Snoke, the original "Kylo", and the Knights of Ren access to the location of the jedi academy and therefore allows them to carry out their massacre. That also begs the question, what happened to the rest of the Knights of Ren? I say that Luke arrives at the massacre but it is too late. He battles the Knights of Ren and kills them all. Perhaps he even battles Snoke but it ends up being a draw. Luke escapes and manages to save little Rey in the process. The damage being done, Snoke collects Ben and leaves. Ben takes up the mantle of Kylo Ren after Snoke decides he would make a powerful apprentice, and since his other apprentices are dead.

When the dust finally settles, Luke has managed to save Rey and place her on Jakku wiping her memory of what happened. Ben, in an act of childish petty revenge, does the same for Finn but makes him a lowly stormtrooper instead.

What do you all think? Sorry I am just having fun theorizing stuff.

 

Just came back from a Sunday night viewing, I have question...

Spoiler

Is Finn suppose to be a Jedi too?

He's pretty clumsy with the light-saber and never experienced the "force".

I ask this because, Rey on the other hand is definitely a Jedi, or at least will be.

 

Spoiler

Finn is still to be determined. No conclusive evidence one way or the other at this point.

 

Donnie Yen in a Star Trek movie? Now that's some great news, thanks for sharing!

 

That freudian slip tho.

Donnie Yen looks bada**. Here's a cast picture for Rogue One if anyone hasn't seen it yet.

Spoiler: Rogue One Cast Picture

 

Yeah he absolutely does. I'm sure he'll be the master assassin on the squad, as he should be in every movie.

Seriously though, what freudian slip do you mean? I've been analyzing my 2 sentences for a few minutes now and can't find anything suspicious

 

You revealed you're really a Star Trek fan.

Spoiler: Small theory

I have a sneaking suspicion Snoke is really like Yoda sized despite how big he was portrayed in hologram. I say this because in the original trilogy the emperor was a small hologram but regular sized. It think it'd be funny if they flipped the script regarding that.

 

i needed that movie to be Lord Of The Rings long...like 3.5hrs

loved it...tempted to watch it again

 

i dont ever clap in the middle of a movie...this movie made me 10yrs old for 2hrs this weekend

 

Thanks real! Yea, my mind is definitely in overdrive trying to connect things. I didn't do any of this from prequel to prequel or for the OT. Hell I was a baby when RoTJ came out so by the time I watched the OT, it was back to back to back. No theorizing needed. It's just refreshing and fun throwing stuff out there and seeing what might stick.

Spoiler: Snoke

As for Snoke's size, yea the hologram could definitely be a fake out. I think the first time we saw the emperor in ESB, he was just a huge head and half a torso. Snoke is still definitely shrouded in mystery.

 

Spoiler: more spoilers

I like these theories. At first when I was reading your theory on Rey/Kylo I thought no....but the more you got into it I could see that happening especially with the flashbacks from Rey touching the lightsaber. I feel like there's an epic backstory to Rey, Luke, Maz, and how she got Luke's lightsaber.

Who is Poe other than a great resistance pilot? Will he play a significant role? Why did they introduce him and return to him if he's just a pilot...

I have two more outlandish theories - #1) Luke has or will turn to the dark side. If you remember in the Return of the Jedi, the Emperor talks about how Luke tapped into his anger and injured Vader and that Luke was honing his dark side power. It wasn't Luke's resisting of the dark side that killed the Emperor, it was Vader tapping into what good he had left and deciding to turn on the Emperor in favor of his son. For all we know Luke is still very vulnerable to the dark side and as Yoda had warned, his training on Dagobah was never complete.

#2) Like you said something interesting is going to happen with Finn. I don't think he can use the Force (or at least doesn't know it at this point) but I believe he's more useful/powerful than anyone (including himself) knows. There will be a time where he turns to the dark side or a time that it appears as if he has returned to the dark side but I think will ultimately return to the good side, but something dramatic will happen to perpetuate it.

 

How did I miss that lol. Shame on me, but I strongly deny this acusation, even though I used to watch star trek as a teenager.