Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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  1. John3:16

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    Like I said, Trump is scary. His overreacting to this is polar opposite to Obama's underreaction.
     
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    How has Obama underreacted?
     
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    Referring to them as a JV team. Admitting he had no plan to defeat them. Claiming they were contained the morning of the Paris attack. Claiming our homeland was never more secure on the morning of the San Bernadino attack.

    Did you know 80% of sorties return without dropping a bomb because Obama refuses to allow a single non-combatant to be hit. 1000 ISIS fighters and one innocent person and he won't allow a bomb to be dropped.

    IMO, he has been wrong at every opportunity when it comes to Radical Islamic extremist (3 words he can't even say).
     
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    I never understood the whole , "he refuses to call them Islamic terrorists" argument. As if that passes as part of any effective foreign policy and the moment he utters those words we would be better positioned to fight terrorism. I don't disagree that it is Islamic extremists, but I would say Presidential tone accounts for like 5% of the overall problem. The other 95% being are penchant for toppling dictators only to be replaced by something far worse, our arming of mythological "moderate" rebel forces, ineffective airstrikes, our relationship with the government of Saudi Arabia, who have been the biggest exporter of wahhabism and are essentially ISIS legitimized, our further refusal to realize this is one giant civil war between Sunnis and shiites, our unwavering support of Israel, and are tendency to resort to xenophobia and fear, when terrorism does happen

    The truth of the matter is there is no right or good strategy in the Middle East, it's become such a cluster****. It has basically come down to choosing between bad and worse ideas. Bad being we cut our losses and just get the **** out of there and worse we deploy upwards 30,000 troops to Iraq/Syria.
     
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    ^^^ I agree with everything you said. Why we call Saudi Arabia our friend when they're clearly not is beyond me. Well, I know why ($$$ to political campaigns), but it's really sad and disgusting.
     
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    Which is why fighting to alleviate ourselves from the use of fossil fuels over time is not only good for the environment, but also removes the dependencies of foreign oil and resources.
     
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    All Politicians Lie. Some Lie More Than Others.


    By ANGIE DROBNIC HOLANDEC. 11, 2015

    • since 2007, when The Tampa Bay Times founded PolitiFact as a new way to cover elections. We don’t check absolutely everything a candidate says, but focus on what catches our eye as significant, newsworthy or potentially influential. Our ratings are also not intended to be statistically representative but to show trends over time.

      Donald J. Trump’s record on truth and accuracy is astonishingly poor. So far, we’ve fact-checked more than 70 Trump statements and rated fully three-quarters of them as Mostly False, False or “Pants on Fire” (we reserve this last designation for a claim that is not only inaccurate but also ridiculous). We haven’t checked the former neurosurgeonBen Carson as often as Mr. Trump, but by the percentages Mr. Carson actually fares worse.

      Carly Fiorina, another candidate in the Republican race who’s never held elective office, does slightly better on the Truth-O-Meter (which I sometimes feel the need to remind people is not an actual scientific instrument): Half of the statements we’ve checked have proved Mostly False or worse.

      Most of the professional politicians we fact-check don’t reach these depths of inaccuracy. They tend to choose their words more carefully.

      Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, for example, has ratings of Mostly False, False and Pants on Fire at the 40 percent mark (out of a sizable 117 statements checked). The former Florida governor Jeb Bush’s negative ratings are at 32 percent out of 71 statements checked, a percentage matched by two other Republican contenders, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey and Senator Rand Paul.

      In the Democratic race, Senator Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are evenly matched at 28 percent (based on 43 checks of Mr. Sanders and 140 checks of Mrs. Clinton). Outside of the primary campaign, we’ve continued checking the public statements of Bill Clinton since 2007; he comes out slightly ahead of President Obama in his truth-telling track record.

      Falsehood Face-Off
      Statements since 2007 by presidential candidates (and some current and former officeholders) ranked from most dishonest over all to least dishonest, as fact-checked by PolitiFact. “Pants on Fire” refers to the most egregious falsehoods.

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      Too few statements have been fact-checked to include Jim Gilmore, George E. Pataki and George W. Bush. The number of statements analyzed varies for each person. Some bars total more or less than 100% because of rounding.
      Source: PolitiFact


      By Bill Marsh/The New York Times"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/o...an-others.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1
     
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    I'm surprised Trump is only at 76% when it comes to making generally false statements.
     
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    Checkout the pants on fire for Trump though
     
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    Pretty much...

     
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    trump is simply a classic case of someone using the media's brainwash tactics to shock the general public and his small group of radical supporters latch onto it

    first it was the mexican comments, then the muslim thing. he's a damn good entertainer but one can only wonder how much further he can make it in the race considering his own party is doing everything they can to get him out. and is he really the answer aside from what he's said? trump the billionaire real estate developer is the person who will "save america?"

    and from a canadien's perspective, wouldn't you think that someone who has nazi supporters probably isn't your best option to be running this country? not that he would be anyways but still. i'll admit i don't know too much about who's saying who in regards to this race or about american politics in general but trump is pretty easy to see through
     
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    In all honesty, I REALLY do think Trump is trolling the GOP.
     
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    It's interesting isn't it? I don't think he's for real either.

    I can't wait to see how history looks back on him and this race when documents get released revealing whatever crazy scheme he's been carrying out, get's revealed.
     
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    The fact that the chart up there has Hillary Clinton as the most honest politician in Washington made me go

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    She's as dirty and dishonest as any politician in Washington.
     
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    I think it was Bill Maher who asked "if Trump was a mole to get Hillary elected, what would he do differently? Nothing." (paraphrased)

    Cruz has overtaken him. I think Carson is running out of steam. My girl Fiorina will win another debate tonight, but won't register in the polls. She's about done too.

    I see people say Cruz is crazy and all kinds of stuff about him on social media, but here's the thing I love about him: Both Ds and Rs in congress HATE him. Must be doing something right.
     
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    I think who controls Congress has more to do with it than what party our POTUS is. Having said that, the Rs control both houses right now and are so inept that they're making my hypothesis look stupid.
     
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    Watched the Republican debates tonight. I thought Fiorina won pretty handily. Seemed like she had something to say each time that was more heartfelt and intelligent than most of the other candidates. I felt like the other candidates really just sounded like robots, especially Cruz. I am glad Trump raised the bar to make the other candidates not sound so crazy in comparison, still I'd never vote for any of them. Fiorina still sounded like too much of a warhawk for my liking when she tried to sound tough, and I'm sure she has some other conservative ideas I'd disagree completely with.
     
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    IMO, it's down to Trump, Cruz and Rubio.

    The others are done, as much as it pains me to say that about Fiorina.

    Anyone think Trump knew the 3 parts to the Nuclear Triad? Me either. LOL
     
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    Question: do the Dems ever have debates? I only remember one and half the people on the stage I never heard from, before or after.
     
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