What are Lakers paying old coaches? And new options to replace Byron?

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  1. therealdeal

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    At that point though it becomes about saving face. The team can't fire him without looking really foolish and that's important whether we want to admit it or not. This kinds of things happen in business too. When a company hires a new person that's just not working out, a lot of times they'll move mountains to try to find a way to make that person relevant instead of just saying "we screwed up, this person sucks". At least that's been my experience in small businesses.

    I know no one wants to hear that as a reason, but it's true.

    Also we have to consider the work environment we're creating for the next coach. No one is going to jump for joy to come here when the last 3 guys were fired before their contracts were up...

    There's a lot that goes into this. I'm afraid it'll take something really drastic for the Lakers to make a move. Something like the team being openly obstinate on the sidelines might work. Say if Russell and Clarkson tell Byron off, there's a blow up in the locker room... It'd take mutiny.
     
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    We've seen quite a few former players make the move to coach successfully the last few years with little prior experience. You could even say that about Kerr himself to a certain extent. Kidd is doing pretty well. Even Fisher is turning it around.

    Again, I think I just like the idea of someone who can bring a fresh and modern perspective. I wouldn't mind Luke at all but there are other guys I like that we've tossed out there.
     
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    Agreed. It will take something really major for us to fire him before the end of the season.
     
    ElginTheGreat, Nov 24, 2015
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    The three kids, the future of our franchise need to all be fed up with him (I think Russell is already there, but it's the least vocal about it), rally together, blow up at him/ignore him, and then it'd take them calling a player's only meeting. With our upcoming road games, that's all entirely possible by Jan 1.
     
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    Screw that, we already look foolish, the entire league and media are laughing at us, we couldn't look any more foolish. I know you're correct, but still, screw that, do what's best for our youth and the franchise, not what saves face.
     
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    I agree, I'm just being pragmatic... I would let go of Scott now.

    I fear the stealth tank might be back on honestly... At this point the Lakers have to at least have that in their minds even if they shouldn't. Scott is good for tanking and nothing else otherwise it's time to move on.

    Give Madsen a shot for half a year to prove he's worth something more than what we've seen. The team could really use a different perspective at this point.
     
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    I think hiring Luke will do two more things that I'll point out: if there is a mutual parting of ways with Scott, one way you soften the blow from a PR standpoint is by hiring somebody within the family. You can argue we did that with Scott and the results have been disastrous. Nevertheless, with Luke possibly being in high demand and well regarded, I think local beat writers, and national media, will understand our approach and we can spin it as going more modern and going in a new direction that should be well documented after our 20 win season that Scott just coached us to and completely underachieving with this roster.

    In the event that Jeanie removes Jim or Jim steps down, and she has her wish brining Phil in, Luke will be already be in place, and I'm of the opinion that Phil wouldn't remove Luke. In the best case scenario, he could be a compromise between Jeanie and Jim, and we can possibly sell her on giving him a chance. Either way, Luke would be in place for the foreseeable future with this current regime or one that Jeanie wants to put in place to replace her brother.
     
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    There's also the factor that Luke Walton doesn't have that "old school" vibe that BScott does.

    Which quite frankly annoys me on occasion.
     
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    How about Scott brooks? He actually helped develop 3 all stars and only reason he got fired was because they kind of plateaued.






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    Luke..... please come home and save us.

    I hate people saying he was given a silver spoon, a championship team with an awesome system and all he has to do is be the guy on the side line. Do people not realize that he has to have the BBIQ to make in game changes, exploit the other teams weakness, etc. etc. It also doesn't hurt to have Curry playing out of his mind. But put Byron in Luke's shoes and they would have probably lost a few games by now.
     
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    After tonight, anybody but Byron. Actually, Brooks is the perfect 'setup' guy and he can do what Byron was intended to do. Establish a culture, develop players, play to their strengths; problem is, I don't think he'll be that guy to get us over the top. I'd definitely interview him, though.
     
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    I've always had my doubts about Scotty Brooks and I wasn't exactly thrilled when Mason started talking about him as the "perfect development coach for this team" on the radio a couple weeks back. I don't think he's a great coach. But I too will take just about anyone over Byron at this point (just as long as it's not Mike Dunleavy). We need a new direction next year, plain and simple.
     
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    Scott Brooks isn't particularly a good coach either and the reason he had a job was because of those 3 all-stars.

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    Plus he has Scott in his name
     
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    I thought he was fired because their offense was give the ball to Durant or Westbrook and let them create something. That's why they couldn't get over the hump, and that sounds similar to a situation we are in now. I think he was also the coach telling his players in the Finals to be glad they even got that far and conceding defeat, on one of those "wired" segments.
     
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    Well said. I'm on Luke right now. After that, I have a couple of different names. Ollie, Atkinson, Thibs, etc...like you said, though, we need a new direction...
     
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    Let me clarify what I was trying to say. It's Kerr's system (he's the head coach). Of course it came from Pop and not Kerr himself I was just saying it's Kerr's team and he decided to go to this motion type offense which is doing wonders.
     
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    Gotcha. Didn't mean to single you out; my point was just a general one; That said, Luke comes, he installs the same offense and defense, add 10 wins just based on that alone.
     
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    Sigh...
     
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    Funny thing is I could have told you their names quite easily. Point a gun at me and ask me to name Byron's coaching staff.... Nice knowing you guys...
     
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    Madsen, Scott's son, and... yep.
     
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