Wmc 15/16: We are finally at the END! BYE BYRON!!!

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  1. sirronstuff

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    So Jim will need a better coach.... This is good
     
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    Well at least they aren't completely braindead. They are aware of the shift in Lakernation's opinion of Byron and Kobe and they do say they feel the young guns should be leading the team in minutes. So there is some sanity here.
     
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    It'll get worse. You know, we had some flexibility if Byron kept us afloat. At or near .500, the next deadline when some players no trade clause lifts is December 15th; Nick has been playing well, Bass in the right position at the PF was decent and had a player friendly contract, and we had some non-guaranteed contracts to include that could be cut by January 10th before the contract is guaranteed. Point? We had the necessary pieces in place, if our record didn't get out of hand to pick some up additional pieces to add too the roster to make a PO run.

    Does priority change since we're falling so seemingly behind in the standings in the race for the PO's? I think when there is a chance to add talent in a trade, you take it. It's just very disconcerting when you think all Byron had to do was keep us 'decent' for the better part of 2 months with a very friendly schedule the first month. This just sucks...
     
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    From what I have heard Jim for the most part acts like an assistant to Mitch and runs a lot of numbers but Mitch really makes the calls on players. The one thing I've heard Buss does do is make final decisions on coaches. We know this to be true in the case of Brown and Tomjanovich. That is the single point in which I think our FO has failed, we passed on bringing PJ back (also Jim's call) also maybe Kobe's last deal and Nash which were 2 player moves that Jim did do. Though to be fair he didn't know both were going to break down. Still, he has a legacy of failure going back to when he trained ponies. I'm sure he's a nice guy but Charlie Brown is Charlie Brown.
     
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    Wasn't Jim in his current position for the 2008 Finals run and 2009 and 2010 titles though? I've never been a Jim Buss defender, but don't the wins count for something as well as the bad moves? We hear a guy like Stephen A go off about how bad Jim is, but I can't remember any real reasons other than not handing the franchise over to Phil, for which I can't really blame him as his dad left it to him.
     
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    Careful Weez. This is a smart position to take, but the hate runs deep!

    Honestly I think Buss is by far the biggest scapegoat we've got and while he's been far from perfect, it's silly to blame a ton of the last few years on him. I'm shocked at how little blame Jeanie gets in comparison to Jim.
     
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    Really the only egregious moves AP (after Phil) were the coaching hires. Although, these were pretty significant in terms of ramifications.
     
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    One thing that shocked me from Jeanie was one interview she gave, maybe last summer(?) where she said she has no involvement in the basketball side of things at all. It wasn't just that statement, it was that she sounded clueless when saying it and explaining it. I was shocked that she wouldn't at least sit in on some basketball related meetings or something, she sounded out of touch on the basketball side as well as the business side when admitting the Dwight Howard billboards were a bad idea.

    And speaking of that let's not forget Jim was in his position when we got Dwight (and Bynum, who got us Dwight), and Nash (a move most fans liked at the time). Also got us Chris Paul, the league just screwed us out of him.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly. She trusts Mitch and by association Jim completely with the basketball side and I'm not sure she has any idea about that end of it. I'm not comfortable with that at all. We all know that for the most part that's how Dr. Buss would handle business, but he was still knowledgeable enough on that end to make his own calls when he wanted to. I'm not convinced Jeanie is there.

    The billboards were certainly her idea as well and that was a bad one. I'm not saying she's a bad executive because the owners love her, but she's far from perfect as well. That's okay because when a family business changes hands there's ALWAYS a tough go of it, but we should be clear of that now. We should all be on the same page at this point and I'm just not sure how much faith I have in the Buss children at this juncture.
     
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    Yes, this. You need to know about the basketball side too in order to best run the business side IMO. Basketball and the business often go hand in hand, better basketball product equals better business. She needs to be more involved on that end. Like with B0ron, I fear she is too sentimental there, sees him as a Laker for life rather than seeing how bad he is for the basketball side, where the Rockets owner had no such issue with McHale.
     
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    It's not just her though and really it's the Lakers' own fault. They oversold him by a wide, wide, wide margin. Everyone was hoping he'd step up for his dream role, but clearly he's incapable of that. Now they're left with their "80s star" and they guy who was supposed to "instill a winning tradition" and they know they'd look like fools to drop him mid-season.

    Terrible. Good coaching is so damn hard to find.
     
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    Well everyone is to blame for the hire, I just mean as far as letting this go on for too long, she has to see how bad this is for the basketball side of things. I thinks she's too close to Byron, and I think had Phil been hired it probably would have been a similar situation had things gone bad. Too close to Phil, would have created major problems when he and Jim disagreed.
     
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    If Jim's major contribution has been deciding on head coaches then not really. He didn't have the same influence in '08 to '10 since he didn't put Phil in the chair then, but he put everyone after PJ in the chair (also Rudy back when Phil was out for a year, and he claims Pringles was his dad's call). He in fact did the opposite in one of, if not his first major move by kicking PJ out and everyone connected with him.

    I don't know, Jim probably does get more then he deserves for the current situation. Certainly the CBA has done worse damage to us than Jim. But then, how much of this is on Mitch then? If Mitch weren't in basic agreement with all the moves wouldn't he walk for another gig somewhere else?

    The thing about Jim is he has the history of failure going back, with horses, and has said some incredible dumb things about the business like scouting and hired Chaz of course. And even in the case of Bynum who he likes to grab credit for, well the scout that was assigned to him was the one who really pushed hard for Andrew. JB was around during 08-10 so maybe my fear that he's a Jonah is unfounded but I got to see something during his term to make me feel better, even if it's not going to the playoffs but just our youth to really start ballin'.
     
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    @Weezy true, but even "bad" with Phil would've looked like a winning formula considering what we've paraded out there the past 3 seasons. I can live with it, if someone is too close to arguably the greatest to ever do it vs. whatever f***ing title you want to give Scott. Trash, s***, a walking-talking disaster, a pig headed master tanker, worst coach in the league, idiot, moron, most unqualified coach we've had in 20 years...pick one. I thought Kurt Rambis was a bad HC, but DAMN! Scott is a category unto himself.
     
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    There's really not a whole lot left to say here guys.
     
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    That was just awful and every bit the blood bath I expected.

    We looked like we haven't played together a single game.

    Kobe is done. It was just sad and depressing to watch him play.

    Pretty sure this is the worst start in Laker history.
     
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    #Didntloseby50
     
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    I appreciate Luke taking it easy on us, that was truly kind of him, no sarcasm at all. He could have put his starters back in to crush us ala Mark Jackson, but he conceded the 4th. Class act.
     
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