What are Lakers paying old coaches? And new options to replace Byron?

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  1. ElginTheGreat

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    Yeah. I get the mindset but I am not interested in another retread. Give me a good up and comer with a great basketball mind.
     
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    I prefer Thibs.

    But I'm fine taking a chance on Luke.
     
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    Thought this was hilarious from Kobe about Luke:

     
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    LOL! Good stuff...
     
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    Luke Walton knew he wanted to coach basketball for a living before these past four weeks.

    So yes, with the Golden State Warriors interim coach having steered this seemingly unwreckable ship to a 15-0 start that has the defending champions one win away from an NBA record, the profession still looks promising.

    "The experience has been incredible," said Walton, the 35-year-old assistant who was chosen by Steve Kerr to take over while he recovers from spinal fluid leaks suffered during offseason back surgery. "I wanted to (coach), and this has just kind of reinforced that even more. Now it’s, 'Oh yeah, 100%, I love doing this.'

    "There’s nothing like playing, obviously, but this is (close). Even as an assistant, it’s like that. You kind of fill that void, and that team (aspect) and that whole basketball experience that you miss of not being able to play anymore. Now being a head, it takes it to a whole new level."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...breakout-star-warriors-record-start/76282224/

    Luke, COME BACK HOME!
     
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    Damn Luke about to be the coach the helped set an NBA record, his first time being a head coach.

    I want to give Luke all the credit but the system is Steve's.

    It's kind of like when Westhead took over for McKinney. That 1980 ring was all McKinney's genius.
     
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    Absolutely man.

    We can't blow our coaching pick again. It's the most important thing for us this summer above a potential draft pick or a free agent.
     
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    “So I’ve said it before, the hardest thing for an NBA owner to do is hire a coach. The easiest thing to do is fire a coach. The reason it’s hard to hire a coach, coaches are great at date-face, they know exactly what your weaknesses are and they know exactly how to sell to those weaknesses, so it’s really difficult to pick it right and it’s 90 percent luck.”

    Cuban recently signed his coach, Rick Carlisle, to a five-year extension.

    “If the hardest thing to find is a good coach, you marry him, you put a ring on it,” Cuban said.

    http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/11/22/mark-cuban-hardest-thing-for-owner-to-do-is-hire-a-coach/
     
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    Dang, this makes me want Luke to be our coach for the first time. Endorsements from Kobe and Phil.
     
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    Maybe I missed something, but why do we think Luke will be a good coach? Not trying to come off as snarky or that I think he sucks, just genuinely curious.
     
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    Sounds like he's doing a good job for the Warriors, but we really don't know. He's put in a great position, on a great team whose system is already fully implemented. It's hard to say how much of this is on Luke.
     
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    I have been under this group/thought process as well.

    We still don't know if he's a good coach, what we do know he is good at is his ability to not rock the boat and manage people/scenarios, which is what Phil was pretty good at. Not to say he has difficult player personalities to manage but when you have this good a team it's important to not screw anything up because Kerr's system is on full throttle.

    Time will tell when he gets tested. Right now everything is gravy for Luke.
     
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    Kerr's system? It was Pop's system. Then ATL took it and implemented it when Mike (assistant from SAS) took the job in Atlanta. Other coaches have copied what Pop is doing and borrow what SAS have been successful at implementing at both ends of the floor. If Luke comes here, he has an a great understanding of the schematic approaches to implement on offense (spacing, ball movement) and on defense (transition defense, staying on shooters), and those systems have ranked GS in top 5 in both offensive and defensive efficiency.

    This isn't even hitting on the fact that GS thought so highly of him that he was promoted to lead assistant after Gentry left, and when Kerr went down, he was promoted to head coach. GS has one of the top FO's in basketball. They don't promote just too promote. There is a reason and a purpose behind why they do it, and the fact that they think that highly of Luke speaks volumes. He's a perfect candidate for this group of players we have; sure, there are other more experienced candidates, but I'm tired of retreads, and it's time we start thinking about the box.
     
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    We don't know enough about Luke yet, I agree. But little things are adding up to make me think he is going to be a good coach, and somebody is going to get in on the ground floor with him and have it pay off. His basketball IQ has been the thing most talked about with him since maybe college, or even as a rookie in the league. He was an assistant with the Warriors title team last season, and I don't think he was hired on as an accident, he knows what he's doing.

    We're also hearing endorsements of his abilities from many people now. It's absolutely true that he was handed a great team, and he may simply be managing them, but I dunno. They've been in some situations where they were down and probably should have lost a few games, but they didn't, and his coaching in those situations has to count for something. Put B0ron on that team instead and I don't think they are undefeated or face those pressure situations the same way, he probably screws with lineups or mismanages something. That alone tells me he's probably a better coach than B0ron already.
     
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    I'll tell you this much, and it's just my what I think; you bring Luke in, he installs what GS is doing, and we improve by 10 wins, minimum.
     
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    What would it take for the Lakers to make that move right now. It seems like it's on the tip of everyone's tongue right now. The media guys are looking at it from that perspective already. What would it take to make it happen now instead of this summer.

    I assume Kerr would have to return to the bench before Luke gave up that job, he'd be a fool to leave willingly from that position. I'm talking more from the Lakers' point of view.

    Also when else has that happened? Fire a guy then go get an Assistant from another team during the season?
     
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    I don't think they'd ever make that move right now, but they'd be foolish not to look seriously at it this offseason. Like if B0ron is fired one day after our season ends, we should get permission to speak to Luke like the Pelicans did with Gentry, as well as set up other coaching interviews as well of course.
     
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    Luke is definitely high on my list and regardless of whether we get the pick or not, losing Byron is going to be a HUGE selling point for this franchise. I don't think Byron ever finds another HC spot again after this either. His numbers are atrocious, his methods are outdated, and he couldn't even improve for his dream job. He's absolutely got to be booted this summer at the latest. Preferably before FA starts so that we have a chance to nail down an exciting coach before FAs have to choose where to go.

    Guys I want to at least talk to: Luke Walton, Kevin Ollie (if he'll take the interview), Tom Thibodeau (I know he's not a player coach, but still), Kenny Atkinson, Tyronn Lue (players love him), and Sean Miller from UA. I'm sure there's others, but I want to see the FO talking to more modern guys.
     
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    It might not be even be an option till this summer. I've yet to hear an accurate estimation of when Kerr will be back in his chair. A couple weeks ago there was speculation that it could keep him out all season.

    Either way Luke will be getting some great reps as a HC and will make him ready for the bright lights of LA a lot sooner. I hope they stay undefeated for awhile or at least stay within contention of the Bulls record, that's an added pressure situation he'll have to deal with when dealing with the media and will help him grow. That along with the increasing pressure of getting them to repeat, especially with the start they're having, will be great for his growth as a coach. If he can pass both those tests, he'll already be better against adversity than Senor "Man Up."
     
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    Even with what we're discussing being the case, I still fire B0ron immediately. Get him as far away from our youth as possible. They don't need to be learning that defense and rebounding are about manning up, and offense is about being a veteran who has earned the right to take bad shots. I'd fire him even if that meant Madsen took over, because then he'd probably get out of the way a little bit, and we can't be worse than we already are anyway.
     
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