Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

Anyone watch the debate tonight?

Huckabee and Walker just need to quit.

I was impressed by Christie tonight.

Bush got WAY too much air time.

Trump did okay. So did Carson.

Winner, IMO, was Fiorina. I'm a big fan of hers, but I think she was on point and showed great composure and I liked what she had to say.

 

I didn't see the debate, but all my Republican friends say she did really well and probably won the debate.

From the few clips I've seen, she looks like she made some great points.

 

@davriver209, do you mind if we turn this thread into the Presidential discussion thread, since we don't have one yet, and we've already seemed to be talking about a few candidates in here?

 

IMO, he did pretty bad (and I like him). When throwing barbs at others, he needs to finish with his own ideas. Rubio is great at that.

 

Ok, it seems this thread has turned into the Presidential candidate thread anyway lol

@davriver209, just let me know if you want me to separate these other candidates from your Trump thread.

That being said, I will surprise all of you by saying I like Bernie Sanders (the staunch conservative I am lol)

 

I think he's one of the most honest candidates out there. I just don't agree with his policies. We're close to $19 trillion in debt and he wants everything to be free. Either he doesn't know the definition of free, or he's lying. I don't think he's lying, so the former is my best guess. That's scary.

Check out Fiorina. She just makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Neither one. If Bernie really does what he says he will (and you're right, I do think he is honest about what he wants to do) the country should save money. They always try to fear monger about every Democratic candidate saying they'll bankrupt the US, but the Republicans in office haven't done any better. Dem or Republican it doesn't matter financially.

Here's a few rebuttals to the claims his policies will bankrupt the US:

http://usuncut.com/politics/top-economist-says-bernies-plan-will-actually-save-the-us-5-trillion/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...Bernie-Sanders-Got-a-Fact-Check-and-It-Failed

 

She's talking really fast due to time constraints on each candidate.

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That's not an accurate representation of what Bernie is proposing. Overall, he's saying to cut corporate tax loopholes and allowing corporations to stash money over seas, get rid of the "Drug war", and close prisons as a result, stop letting the rich get away with tax evasion, and end the war, as a short synopsis among other things. All that, plus the rest of his plan saves us money. In fact, the economist the WSJ sited in their article saying Sanders plan would cost 18 trillion, actually wrote an open letter to them to correct them saying Sanders plan would actually save the US about 5 trillion in total.

I don't agree with increasing minimum wage to $15 in a vacuum, but I'm certainly open to it if the average citizen isn't paying all the taxes in this country. Small business owners can afford $15 and hour for employees if they aren't paying exorbitant taxes, and they wouldn't be paying exorbitant taxes if the rich and corporations start paying there fair share. True taxation according to income with no loop holes.

 

I don't like what she said about foreign policy. Sounds like more of the same same war mongering that got us in our current position.

I also haven't seen the Planned Parenthood video she's talking about, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen the video of PP's executives talking about selling fetus body parts. I understand why people have such a knee jerk reaction to it, and those execs sound callous and cold, but seriously, where do people think scientists get things like fetus stem-cells, and organs for experiments? Fetuses R US?

 

He's not suggesting a super tax on the rich, only that they actually pay their taxes instead of ducking taxes through loopholes. The alternative and essentially the system we have right now says the rich don't have to pay taxes.

Do we care what's fair, or is this just fear mongering saying all the rich people will leave the US (which I think is preposterous). It's already a fact that the US middle class is evaporating while the rich get richer. Is that not a topic we need to address? If so, how can we address it while demanding some people pay taxes, while others don't. Incidentally, this was the same argument for why we shouldn't tax corporations so they didn't take there businesses oversees last presidential election. Obama in fact, didn't cut the loopholes, allowed corporations to continue to duck taxes that we citizens then needed to make up for, and what did corporations do... they still took their business overseas.

 

It's a felony to sell body parts. Millions of Americans, such as me, are donors.

I saw the video she's referencing. Saying it's horrendous and disgusting is putting it mildly. As Fiorina says, what does it say about us as a country, that we allow, support, fund, and encourage this?

 

I agree. I'll add, the poor aren't doing too bad either. Trust me, I go into their homes 5 days a week. 70 inch TVs, BluRays everywhere, internet, cell phones, air conditioning, full fridge, 3 bedroom / 2 bath, and a car or two. When I was growing up we didn't have any of that and my single-parent mom worked full time as a nurse.