Lakers Ball Official Workout Thread

I think a great deal of what we think we know about training isn't terribly scientific, isn't well supported by either theory or practice. Crossfit is the real deal. Other workout programs can work, too, but CF's track record is amazing.

 

Chill: if it has been effective, good. You learn about your specifics by doing. If you're doing that much basketball, it's probably hard to gain strength and lean mass consistently. Your diet is key. And I wouldn't do curls to failure for repeated sets. Massive inroads to recovery. Those are some of my thoughts

 

CF's track record also shows a tremendous amount of overworked muscles including a widespread outbreak of rhabdomyolysis. I think there's definitely a tremendous amount of science involved in staying in shape, but the techniques and workouts you do have to be dependent on the person you're training. CF flies in the face of that and uses wide net of incredibly strenuous workouts for people of all shapes and sizes. In some ways that's great (because most people are far more capable of great workouts than they think) but in some ways it's awful. I have seen intense injuries, including rhabdo from people who do CF. In it's early stages CF encouraged working out through the pain which only people who are familiar with working out understand the limitations of. People who don't know better push themselves past that limit and hurt themselves. Not to mention, the early forms of CF blew up so quickly that people with very little workout background could get certified as trainers and could (and did) teach people poor lifting technique just to make more money.

Again, CF workouts themselves aren't bad at all. If done correctly and with the proper training and emphasis they're fantastic workouts. The culture of CF is something I want no part of and it spreads UNawareness in a lot of cases for proper lifting techniques in the name of lifting more quickly.

I'm okay with it because my SO is a physical therapist so she gets more customers, but as a trainer I hate it because it undermines everything I know. There is a lot of science and technique that must go into training safely and effectively and unless you know what you're doing it's very easy to hurt yourself.

 

Agreed. I'd be afraid of overworking and burning too many calories for legitimate training. Those curls shouldn't be done for failure, they're just there to supplement your pump. The real work comes from your power lifts!

 

Cf deadlifts are deadlifts. Cf pull-ups are pull-ups. They're dine chest to bar, kipping, or even jumping depending upon the workout.

I think y'all should check out the stats on these matters. CF lifters don't experience more injuries than other lifters. Numerous studies can easily be found. Even peer-reviewed. Rhabdo? There have been how many cases associated with CF? Next to none. Cycling? Lots.

 

Never said that at all. CF deadlifts and pull-ups are if anything too legit

There's a lack of accountability that's all. The culture blew up too quickly and it lead to mistakes. In theory I'm okay with a lot of the principles of CF but it really is a case by case thing. Nowadays it's better, but like most workout crazes (and diet crazes) it grew too fast too quickly. I've seen it myself t, I don't need the overall statistics to tell me what my special eyes have seen!

 

You must be a sports fan

I don't pay for a box, and I don't do some of the things that happen at CF boxes either. I don't do snatches, for instance, because I don't swing weights over my head. Seems simply not worth the risk. Olympic lifting isn't to be undertaken lightly, and I don't want to do the training necessary, so I don't do it at all.

 

That's exactly what I mean when I say I trust you to not push it too far. People with even half a background in workouts will know not to go too far.

Unfortunately I saw myself a lot of new recruits being taught power lifts without proper form training and then they were told to do as many as they could without proper form. Easy recipe for disaster. Then I read that some outlets were advertising certification for CF through a weekend course. No one masters mechanics in one weekend, certainly not well enough to teach.

There are some tremendous workouts and circuit training exercises in there, but I genuinely can't stand the culture or the way it blew up so quickly.

 

If you're trying to build muscle, then yes it's possible. Lean proteins like turkey and salmon are great. Your calorie consumption is really dependent on your calorie burning though.

 

Crossfit "pullups" are definitely not legit pullups. Have you seen this crap, its more momentum than anything.