Lakers sign Jonathan Holmes per Shams Charnia

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    OK just watched 1.38 of a youtube highlights clip. Have not watched strengths and weaknesses video yet. The guy .... sorry [​IMG] .... looks thick and solid. What's not to like ..... he looks pretty good. And big if he can also play the 3 and handle the defense there. (supposedly he plays it well against most sizes?) coupled with his offensive skills. We are really setting up what can be bully ball "Big" lineups as well as bully ball "Small Ball" lineups.

    Still wondering why he went undrafted and why we took Brown instead when Holmes' defense seems to be good, and he plays both forward positions. Maybe they feel Brown is a deadeye shooter and athletic enough to play decent D. Which he seems to be. They wanted shooting, which we really need?

    Bye bye Ryan.
     
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    Hope Holmes isn't Earl Clark Redux...
     
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    I think teams can go up to 20 for camp, Real.
     
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    Right and then we waive their contracts and they fade off into the dust? That kind of defeats the purpose of looking for diamonds in the rough, don't it?
     
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    Not quite.

    http://dleague.nba.com/news/nba_development_league_rosters_101/
    There are six sorts of player who can become associated with an NBA D-League team.

    Returning Players: Play with a D-League team for two+ consecutive years, then that D-league team has their rights.
    NBA Affiliate Players: Waived in camp, that team can designate up to four such players as an Affiliate Player; that team's D-league affiliate will have first shot to sign that player to their D-league team unless another NBA team wants them.
    Local Tryouts: Show up and impress, get a contract.
    D-League Draft: I think it's held in a few weeks.
    NBA Assignees: When an NBA team signs the player but sends them down (happened with a bunch of our young guys over the years).
    Free Agents: Boom.

    NBA Affiliate Players are the group I'm thinking about, Real. If we go in with 20, we can keep 15 on the roster and affiliate 4 four of them, losing only one.
     
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    Gym rats! Gym rats everywhere!
     
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    Okay awesome. Yeah that's exactly what I was worried about. Signing all these young guys means nothing if we can't keep them in our system. I like this a lot more now. It looks like we're building a little farm system spending extra pennies. Awesome.
     
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    outstanding shooting form

    [​IMG]
     
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    ^^^ He explains that in the interview. He and Nance Jr. worked out together and roomed together for awhile, so now he's got the "chicken wing" lite form going on with left hand. [​IMG]
     
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    Shawn Marion and "Cornbread Hamilton" made a pretty good run of it with less than "fundamental" form.
     
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    Well, from the summer league footage in that video as well as the workout stuff, he's slow, unathletic, is 6'9 yet barely can jump, and his shot release is quite possibly the slowest I've ever seen. So you can't jump and you shoot slow, that's not a recipe for getting blocked a lot at all. At least he's got all that going for him. And Marion's shot was ugly, but he did release it very fast.
     
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    I wasn't advocating for this guy. He's available at this time of the season for a reason. I was just saying that form isn't the only determinant in shooting. Having good form helps but there are successful guys out there with horrible looking shots. I believe Marion shot over 50% for a number of years with that crazy shot.

    Holmes looks like camp fodder to me. That's saying something because look who we have at that position.
     
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    Whoa! Ouch Weezy!

    His shot isn't really that slow and I'm not getting the hate so much on his form. The only real problem with his form is that it's out in front of him too much. Otherwise he's getting good arch on it and he hits at a decent clip. He's strong, physical, and capable of defending 3-4 and maybe even 2 of 5 in today's NBA.

    Holmes will surprise I think as a really decent player.
     
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    Speaking for myself, I had no idea what Clarkson would turn into when we drafted him; I was completely wrong in my assessment of him. I do like Holmes, and I think he'll be a decent player myself. I think Brad Stevens and the Lakers see something, and I'll put my trust into that right now before I judge the kid.

    By the way, I went onto a Boston C Bags forum when we signed him; 95% percent of the posters loved him. They were disappointed we acquired him and thinks he has a bright future. They actually said that we got a steal...LOL!
     
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    A lot of guys at CL loved Ebanks. He was trash. Fans are not impartial evaluators of talent.

    There is nothing in this kid's history that anyone can truly evaluate in relation to the NBA. That's why there are so many draft busts along with second round surprises. The one and done college players are nearly impossible to predict at this level.

    He was a 4 year player in college and showed marginal improvement so my guess is that he's topped out. Adjusting from that level to this one is the biggest step you can take in pro sports in terms of % who make it so my guess is that he will need to do some significant improvement to stick. He's got the fact that we are the shallowest in the league at his position going for him however.
     
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    I'm not even saying I expect him to make the squad or anything, just saying he does SOME things well and the things he does well are fan friendly: he works his tail off, he hustles for boards, he works on defense. He does the kinds of things fans will appreciate.

    I think when it comes down to it we've got a lot of forwards already under contract. I think he'll end up the D-League and that's fine. I definitely remember seeing Boston fans a little upset about losing Holmes.
     
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    D-League is fine to me. I advocate going that route as much as anybody. It's a good way to stay in basketball shape, keep developing, and wait for your call up when the times comes; if he went that route, great.

    I think he eventually makes the team, though. He might even see time this year at some point, IMO.
     
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    With only 100k guaranteed the Lakers won't think twice about cutting him if he isn't getting it done on the court. They essentially paid him the money so they could get a better look at him, and if he works on then great they have him on a cheap contract for a couple of years. Adding yet another PF does seem odd, although maybe they think they can convert him to a SF. Another possibility is that they are hoping that Holmes will put some heat on Ryan Kelly to come out firing this year. Byron has said that he likes having competition for positions/minutes, and Kelly was the only stretch 4 on the roster, so now he has someone to directly compete with.
     
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    Kelly's job is safe no matter what because...... of his unique skill set.

    [​IMG]
     
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