Luka Doncic Discussion: Lean Mean Slovenian Scoring Machine

Clowney fits the bill from the Nets as someone who is miscast in a much bigger role, if he can be the weak side blocker he has shown flashes off, finish plays and shoot the 3 only on good shots, he could be a really good buy low candidate.

Spencer Jones is another that’s waiting to break out.

Then you have other players teams could throw away like Claxton or Gordon/Braun/Dort

Heck even Sabonis.

Lots of ways to build a team.

 

Clowney would be awesome. Not sure he is a buy low, I think Brooklyn likes him and probably asks for 2 firsts. He has the ideal archetype of a 4 in a contender. I think he will be a hot commodity in years to come if he continues to develop

But yeah lots of ways. I'd really explore dumps of Braun, Dort and alike.

Very few teams can take salary dumps and some teams really need to do them. They also may know okc/Denver don't want to deal with us, so Chicago/Brooklyn may ask for too much and we may do it without picks

 

i'm not sure clowney is available even for three firsts, tbh. i wanted to draft him, btw (check the receipts...him and podz...we got jhs).

but i and others have mentioned john collins as an example of a non-center lob threat who could slot in here. i actually would love to get several clippers role players (dunn, collins, djj) as they all fit really next to luka, imo.

i'm still wondering if there might be a way to sneak in on the back end. chicago and bkn may end up renting out space, and we might be able to capitalize from teams that didn't want to help us.

so, you operate over the cap, but end up getting say, dort, for a single first and vando (chicago maybe already got two seconds to eat dort in the first place?). chicago ends up getting a 1st and 2 2nds to eat two years of sub-mle vando. not terrible. we could add knecht if they were interested (and their roster is like, empty, so he might blow up there!).

same deal with a christian braun or cam johnson, btw. all these guys can be traded by themselves with no restrictions after being salary dumped or traded. as milwaukee learned painfully, you can't control what happens once you move a valuable piece--they may end up exactly where you didn't want them anyway.

 

Nets fans aren’t impressed by Clowney, for every potential flash he shows, he has 5x the amount of games where he is lazy, a chucker, blows up the offense and doesn’t defend.

I think he’d be available because they’re going to have to make some tough decisions to resign him but he hasn’t shown much to warrant a large contract.

 

Ramon Sessions

 

Smush Parker

 

Yeah I'm onto that too but I think we lose leverage there due to our lack of assets, namely young players. Like Minny got Ayo for seconds but they sent Dillingham that is a young prospect, we don't have that.
In an open market, other teams may have better offers for Dort or Braun then us. I think a few teams would like them.

But yeah, it's definitely an avenue I want to pursue

Then I don't know if I want him ahah
It's tough being in a tanking team. From what I saw he was indeed very inconsistent and a chucker as you said. But I try to not read too much into players in bad teams vs in a contender. I rather try to read the archetype and how it can fit in a specific role.
I don't know if Nets FO has the same opinion. He is probably their best prospect in the whole team, no?

Regarding Nets tough decisions, are they there? I think they are basically in year -1 of their rebuild. No superstar or even all-star potential in the team, no one yet they want to build around and just a bunch of young guys that may become good role players but none is a star. So they can pay whoever they want

 

I don’t think the nets are highly impressed by him so far. He is a black hole, inefficient, extremely lazy. And like you said, how much of that is just playing for a tanking team?

I do think Clowney should be a 4th or 5th starter and focus on specific offense and defending better. But that’s worth 15-20m per and he’ll ask for big money from the Nets. I’m not sure that’s a decision the Nets want to make. I wonder what Rui would look like as a first option like Clowney had, is he a 20 pt scorer?

 

lol, hadn't checked the stats on clowney, was relying on eye test. the stats disagree hard. i retract the multiple 1sts and side with svtzr. they may indeed not see him as a foundation piece. i'd have to know more about the laziness, but just from a tools/skills standpoint, he's exactly the kind of forward that could slot in, post-lebron, imo.

also agree with pika re: the nets not really having to worry much about the contract, though. it was similar logic to why i said they would offer reaves a max (i made this claim prior to the reports coming out that were indeed prepared to do so and when several here were claiming nobody would). they just have nothing right now. step one is get something. anything. then build.

 

I was checking out some threads on Claxton to see what the verdict was on their fans. And came across their real disappointment/dislike of Clowney. I think they had high expectations and he went more of the Kuzma route and less of the Reaves.

The thing is, he shows flashes. At the moment 75-80% of his shots are chucking 3’s thinking he is a splash cousin, but when he attacks the basket, he is hard to stop. At times he knuckles down on defense and rebounding and shows significant ability on that side but it’s never for more than a couple of games at a time.

The big issue I see is Clowney’s going to want big money - 30m+. Most likely they give him a QO and then he’ll become an UFA. I wouldn’t be shocked if we could pick him up in a trade for Claxton.

Nets fans are much happier with Claxton and actually want him to be traded to a contender, they say he is their best player even though his stats are down and it’s just not motivating playing for a bad culture, losing team.

 

Just another serious case of Lakers delusion picking out names from out of nowhere with no insight on the player outside of some 3 minute YouTube highlights.

Clowney gets clowned on by Nets fans routinely... I live in NYC and work with some Nets fans. They don't dislike the guy but they don't see him as a strong young player. Just another shot chucker who chucks too many threes inefficiently and while he has a nice frame you can build on, he still can't rebound and gets shoved aside. Athletic but not the smartest player. Can have a few good games but then have games where you're scratching your head about how he's so aloof out there.

Where is this idea that Nets wouldn't trade him for 3 firsts coming from? They would jump at that in a heartbeat. Oh, you said the Lakers should have drafted him like he's some prized asset or you're Nostradamus? He's not anything special.

Have you ever watched the guy play a full game or where is this narrative that he is some highly coveted piece the Nets would keep coming from? Did you pick his name out of a hat and just decided to randomly prop him up?

 

if we could get both of those guys, that would be fantastic, imo. they total 29m.

if ayton opted in, we could do vando/ayton/knecht/1st? if we add another first, does bkn send back the #33 this year or a couple future seconds?

we'd need to add a beefy vet center in FA, though. claxton/hayes doesn't give us a big body. good news is there are usually those types available for vet min.

claxton/hayes/bruiser
lebron/clowney
luka/thiero
reaves/kennard
smart/bronny

looking at that, i wonder if maybe the nets would consider taking a S&T'd rui instead of the pu pu platter? they could then make a big RFA offer to kessler or duren to replace claxton?

we could also just keep rui using bird rights here, i suppose. that slides thiero and clowney down the chart a bit for now, with the theory being that everyone takes a step up when lebron leaves/retires.

 

oh you're mad because i pointed out the j******ery of your luka post.

i already retracted the statement before your hissy fit. carry on, rich.

 

You didn't deny what I said which just means you're picking out names out of boredom/too much time on your hands. Wrap it up, it's over. Take a break. It's the offseason. You're arguing amongst yourself in many of these replies.

You didn't really point anything out. It's your opinion. And your opinion will end up being different in 2-3 years if Luka doesn't pull out a ring with the Lakers.

Of course you retracted it... any amount of decent research would tell you Nets fans don't value Clowney highly. Which raises the question again, are you just picking out random names and making nonsense up? Did you think people here would somehow call you a genius for saying what you said about Clowney? Lol.

 

no idea what you're on, other than lebron's jock. what annoys me is that i fell for your line that you were a lakers fan and not just a bron follower.

i'll discuss what i want when i want, and i'll point out your blatant hypocrisy while i'm at it.

 

home sweet home

feels like my fam roasting each other during the holidays

 

Awww, someone's upset.

LeBron's jock? If I was on LeBron's jock, why would I advocate for him to be traded midseason when the Lakers were struggling and it looked like they needed more off-ball players and defenders?

What annoys me is you think any opinion contradictory of yours is blasphemous and incorrect when the majority of NBA fanbases as a whole would disagree with you.

You're stuck in this Lakers bubble where you only absorb Lakers news and can't fathom that different sources are out there that completely negate your arguments.

Me calling you out for the Clowney nonsense is just another example. You lambast others for their opinion but have no issue trying to inflate Clowney's value, a rather obscure random player, as he's some untouchable "Nets wouldn't give him up for three first rounders". Then you realized very quickly how ridiculous that was after a few comments made by others and you rapidly began to see how asinine it was.

But yet, no problem attacking other Lakers fans for saying Reaves isn't worth that contract, Luka needs to step it up and start winning, etc.,

Now I'm on LeBron's jock because....? Oh, right. You can't name them. Find me examples of me being a LeBron follower and I'll personally Venmo you $1,000. The problem is, you can't accept that other people have different but equally as valuable opinions as you. You run around here like you're the decider of what's good for the Lakers or not. Then you inevitably get bored because it's quite inactive in the offseason and you start picking names out of a box like Clowney, lol. Might be time for you to look into doing something more worthwhile and come back during free agency.

 

les jus grab a beer and pizza fam

no need for anything personal

 

I'm just a LeBron nuthugger. I can't help myself. Care to retract another one of your glorious statements?

 

haha you guys are crazy




but I hope new ownership is not crazy enough to pay LeBron big bucks. I hope he's not crazy enough to demand that. ( I have no confidence in this)