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  1. trodgers

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    BACK Malcolm Koonce DE (1/12m)
    -After surgery and rehab, Koonce is a huge question mark. His 2023 season featured 23 pressures, 17 QB hits, 8 sacks, 7 hurries, and 3 forced fumbles. Those were elite numbers.

    BACK Adam Butler DI (3/16.5m)
    -Butler's greatest ability was availability. He played the third most snaps in the NFL among DIs last season. He applied 31 pressures, which was 35th among DIs, but his overall grade was 103rd out of 219. He's tough up front and should be able to clean up from Crosby, Koonce, and Wilkins's dirty work.

    IN Geno Smith QB (Trade)
    -Smith immediately offers an upgrade from Minshew and AOC. He posted a top 5 WAR last season and is a 90 Composite Rating. He's not young, but he provides a high floor to the 2025 season.

    IN Jeremy Chinn S (2/16m)
    -Chinn was the 50th graded safety overall last season at PFF. He's solid in run defense and can do well in coverage when not left on an island. By comparison, Moehrig was elite in the run game and poor in coverage.

    IN Alex Cappa G (2/11m)
    -Cappa is an iron man (16+ games started 5 seasons in a row; 96%+ snaps played, too), he's just turning 30 this season, and he doesn't miss plays. He had no penalties accepted against him last season, but he did allow a ridiculous 51 pressures, dead last in the NFL.

    IN Lonnie Johnson JR S
    Johnson saw only 13 snaps last season. He's a great athlete who did some solid work early in his career in Houston. He misses a lot of tackles. I imagine he'll play special teams and provide depth in the secondary.

    IN? Elandon Roberts
    A strong tackler who has seen his snaps consistently around part-time, Roberts should step in at MLB for the Raiders.

    OUT Gardner Minshew (Released)
    -This was a bad signing. I don't dislike Minshew, but he deprived the team from getting a better look at AOC, ate up cap space, and couldn't move the needle. He'll find a backup gig somewhere.

    OUT Treyvon Moehrig S
    -Bummer. He's a good, young player.

    OUT Robert Spillane LB
    -He's good, and he's a leader. That hurts.

    OUT Divine Deablo LB
    -LB corps gutted, but I think Deablo has underwhelmed.
     
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    Nice Breakdown Trodge.

    Raider Nation has been up in arms about if the team did anything, something, nothing, enough and not enough during day 1. I listened to one of the youtube guys I like talking about all the takes coming in yesterday in real time. Hearing the numbers guys were getting paid I was like holy hell I hope we don't severely overpay to keep guys.

    My take? I am glad that we didn't overpay these guys. Colts are pretty much already out of money. We filled some needs and created some needs too. But, that being said I thought we played it smart and took our time. I am really curious what we do in the draft. The Nation is ALL OVER the board when it comes to what we "should" do. It is crazy. I'm excited to see what these guys build.

    Now, you guys know I am a big AOC fan. I really think the kid could have gotten us into the playoffs if we had semi-competent leaders and play callers. I also think his O-line being banged up his whole time really hurt him. That being said, I am a big fan of the Geno pick. I live in Washington State and have watched how much heat Geno played under. The guy has thick skin and is not afraid of the moment. He is at the top in the NFL in a lot of passing statistics even with a horrible line in Seattle. When I watched him play us in the preseason and regular season a few years back I thought he reminded me of another guy I like with the Raiders in Marriota but much better than Marcus. What I mean is that I really like the versatility and drive to take off when needed. AOC didn't have a great feel for getting out of the pocket. Geno has a great command of the pocket and with his accuracy will keep teams back on their heals. He will still need a more than competent back (Sincere?) to fortify his time to make plays downfield. Overall I think fans don't really know what kind of dog we got at QB right now.

    What do you guys think of how we spent?
     
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    Good take, Puff.

    The cap blew up, so I'm not shocked about some of the signings. I'm not shocked we didn't try to keep some of those guys.

    Cappa might be an overpay.
    Koonce is good value for LV.
    Elandon Roberts is incredibly good. Pitt fans are not happy.
    Chinn is a little overpay, according to Spotrac (8.0m vs. 6.2mAV), but I like that deal.
     
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    We need a WR, LB, and CB?
     
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    Oh, and RB.
     
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    Yea we def need a CB and LB . CB cause Jack Jones really got cooked all year last year. He really failed at being a #1. Love the kid and his drive but I'll be interested to see how he bounce back after being humbled.

    Again, I like what Sincere McCormick did at the end of the season but is he a guy to carry the heavy load? Im not so sure.

    Overall I think these guys are building a foundation team of hard hitters and grimmey guys. It's hard not to be positive about how we are doing business so far
     
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    IN Eric Stokes CB
    Posted a 61.2 grade at PFF last season (112th), was 94th in coverage, but only 184th against the run. He can flat out fly, at 4.36. Compared to Jack Jones, he was awesome. Jones's PRWT was #91, catch rate was #69, and he allowed 7 TDs (102nd). Stokes was #32, #29, and allowed 3.
    One-year deal for $4m. That's a really nice upgrade.

    Raiders awarded 2 compensatory picks in the 6th round, too.
     
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    Building a Fierce Pass Rush

    Last three seasons
    Crosby 31.5 sacks, 87 QB Hits, 132 Pressures
    Koonce 8.0 sacks, 17 QB Hits, 23 Pressures (one missed season)
    Wilkins 14.5 sacks, 36 QB Hits, 53 Pressures
    Adam Butler 10.0 sacks, 19 QB Hits, 25 Pressures (two seasons)
    Tyree Wilson 8.0 sacks, 18 QB Hits, 28 Pressures (two seasons)
    That's 24.0 sacks per season, 62 QB Hits, 87 Pressures per season from our defensive front.
     
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    I for one have liked what I have seen from the FO so far. Fans are all over the board of course but looking at stuff like what you post Trodge and some of the more technical pundits I think we have upgraded several of those positions outright and have potential upgrades for others. The biggest thing is even if they were lateral moves we didn't overpay for our new guys. The Geno deal is going to take some money.

    So far, really solid start IMO
     
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    Ditto. I don’t dislike any signings or any guys that got away (for the money they got). Andre James going sucks a little, but JPJ is an upgrade. We need some more moves, but I like what I’m seeing.
     
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    So, what do we still need?
    Wide Receiver
    Linebacker
    Cornerback
    Running Back

    I did some stat diving on WRs.
    Here's my ranking on some top available FAs:
    Kupp
    Diggs
    Lockett
    Amari Cooper/Tim Patrick
    Zaccheaus/Cooks/Agholor/Tyler Johnson
     
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    I think the Kupp may be a real chance to come to the Raiders. We would really have a group of great "hands" squad. I want zero to do with Amari drop the ball cooper though
     
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    I believe those will be addressed in the draft.
     
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    I'm honestly excited about the draft. This team is looking fun.
     
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    IN Raheem Mostert RB
    One year, $2.1m

    The Good: in 2023, Mostert was an absolute monster, rushing for 1021 yards, 18 TDs, on 4.8 yards per carry. He added 25-175 and 3 more TDs through the air.

    The Bad: He's going to be 33, and he's coming off a season in which he broke *ONE* tackle on 85 carries and averaged just 3.3 yards per carry.

    Overall: Mostert wasn't alone in underwhelming on the ground in Miami. Jaylen Write averaged 3.7 per carry, Jeff Wilson averaged 3.6, and Alec Ingold averaged 1.7.

    He can take over for Abdullah and give the team some stability, but I wouldn't count on him as a heavy usage player.
     
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    Man, I was interested in Kupp but 3yrs for 45 mil is insane to me. Im glad we didn't overpay for him. I was curious about him even with the injury history because the talent is exceptional. That being said, I am glad we didn't over pay for a "possibility"
     
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    It's tough to project what he will be, but I do think he was the top WR available.

    Market Value or Contract
    Kupp (signed 3/45m)
    Diggs 13.7m
    Lockett 7.7m
    Cooper 18.9m
    Patrick (signed 1/4m)
    Zaccheaus Olamide (signed with Bears, 1 year, no $ details yet)
    Cooks 5.2m
    Agholor 1.8m
    Tyler Johnson (signed with Jets, no details yet)

    Two of these guys had success with the Raiders in the past. I don't want Cooper at that kind of salary, honestly. The best deal on that list could be Agoholor.
     
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    I think the problem with Kupp is his injury history. He has missed a ton of games over the last two years ( I believe), I want zero parts of Cooper. To me his hands are not sure and like ddevante he has some costly drops when the pressure is on.

    I can see Locket getting a serious look due to the connection with coach. Something I read somewhere that I like is that Brock is our true #1 receiver with Jokobi being a a true #2. I think if we keep Mike Meyer we have the receiving core.

    Im really interested in what the FO will do
     
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    I agree about Cooper. 100%.

    I'm just stopping by to say that Stefon Diggs was working out with...Geno Smith.
    Houston was 6-2 with Diggs playing. He got hurt and they went 5-6 to close out the season.
     
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    BACK Darnay Holmes CB
    Holmes played in 16 games for the Raiders last season. He racked up 30 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, and defended 3 passes. He also picked up his first career sack. He logged 298 snaps on defense and 77 on special teams. In coverage, he allowed 24-32 targets to be completed, but they went for 233 yards and 1 TD. That's a PRWT of 105.3. That PRWT was a career worst by far. His 49.5 grade at PFF was 185th among 222 CBs. PFF has him at a 90.7 PRWT, for 116th. He was graded 50th against the run among CBs. Not bad. He's an important rotational player, and he'll likely see a lot of snaps if the current roster holds. I still think we need a CB upgrade.
     

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