Jeanie Buss Discussion: Following In Dad's Footsteps

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  1. lakerjones

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    Yep, problem solved. I didn't like the trade but it was the right move for the reasons you enumerated above. Props to the FO for solving this issue before we even got there. Luka will be the franchise superstar for probably the next decade. Though you and I were super fond of AD and spoke up for him, as you said he did not have the cache to be the face of the franchise like Luka will be. Folks talk trash on Jeannie but the bottom line is she got us back in the championship business and back on brand, first with Lebron and now with Luka.
     
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    I don't want to go tinfoil here (which I guess means I'm going tinfoil I guess) but what if, just what if ownership told Nico to deal Doncic? Some of these theories kinda make sense if you twist things enough. Some things I've seen floated around
    * Adelson family wants to move the team to Dallas and they make their money from gambling (I don't believe this, Dallas has really supported the team)
    * Adelson family bought the team to get them a foothold in Texas so they could lobby the Texas government to make gambling legal.
    * Why did Nico only talk to LA instead of other teams? Yes he has a relationship with Rob but what if something else was at play?
    * Dallas supposedly fired all of Luka's people that were working for Dallas. Why?
    * Superstars in LA print money. See Kobe, Lebron, Shohei, etc. No reason why Luka won't print money. Do they expect that money to end up in Vegas somehow? 5 hour drive.

    That may all be ridiculous but for whatever reason, a decision was made to move on from Luka, and it was done before the coffee meeting between Nico and Rob.

    Why?
     
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    Rob and Nico did this together in a vacuum. I don’t understand how Jeanie gets any credit at all. Yes, she had to sign off on this but you would have to be brain dead to say “no” to trading for a guy who’s the third or fourth best player in the game. Even Jimbo would have signed off on this and he was the absolute worst.
     
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    I've began making my peace with the move as well. I don't love the trade but I get why Rob just couldn't say no. It's just that big man of Ludabrow's character don't come along often.
     
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    Nah, that's tinfoil.

    Nico said Dumont laughed at him when he first brought up the idea of trading Luka.

    Yes, Adelsons want to bring gambling into Texas, and want to use the Mavs for an arena/casino deal. Why would trading away Luka and hurting the team help that effort?

    Dallas fired Luka's trainers bc he wasn't getting in shape and kept getting injured.

    The conspiracy theories just bring up lots of Why, Why, Why's that make no sense and have no good answers.

    The simple explanation that Nico is an idiot who wanted to trade away Luka and get AD bc defense wins championships, explains everything.
     
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    didn't he call milwaukee and ask for giannis, too?


    now one doesn't need a tinfoil hat to see this one. not once, but twice in a short span in that press conference, rob mentioned luka's crew and bringing them into the fold. and both times luka made a face i couldn't quite understand--a half smile i thought at first, but the second one looked more confused. anyway, i really think dallas wanted to control luka and couldn't, and rob is pitching the idea that he has no plans to do so.

    and this makes sense. we don't control lebron AT ALL. we let him do and say what he wants. we even let him get away with engineering one of the worst trades in nba history. not even a hint of blame in most popular discussions about it, despite lebron himself absolutely crowing about his role in that debacle. rob is holding that up, telling luka, man, you want your uncle to be a chef on staff? whatevs. i'll tell everyone it was my idea. i'll say he's the best chef ever and that he trained under a secret japanese samurai chef or whatever. and everyone on lakersball will make fun of me and my jacket and pay no attention to the fact that i'm paying your short-order cook uncle 7 figures to do nothing of substance.

    anyway, that part's not a conspiracy--it's a different business philosophy. it's the one that's worked for us. dallas obviously wasn't down with that, and tbh, a lot of lakers fans had/have problems with that approach here. but that long game keeps coming up aces, imo. even when it seems like it won't.

    how is all of this connected to jeanie? she's on board with the long game. her brother tried to get cute and play like we were a different franchise. that ended up in mozdeng and years of tanking. which, btw, is how most other franchises live.
     
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    I guess she can stay a little longer…
     
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    Even with still stuff like this out there from many?

     
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    Right .... it was YOUR campaign every year that got ME shipped out of here.

    :ADeyesonyouleft:


    :Laugh:
     
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    Again,, she had NOTHING to do with this trade.
     
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    She signed off on it so you can be glad for that. Dallas owners gave the ok to ship out Doncic. Jeannie might not have instigated this trade but saw the value and was on board. That’s what a good owner does. She also put her trust in Rob as GM who did the trade. You can’t have it both ways. When she oks a good trade she gets credit. When she ok’d the Westbrook one and letting go of Caruso those were bad moves. She gets credit for the good and blame for the bad as they go.
     
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    But the “failed miserably” was over the top and not least bit accurate with what’s happened since Jeanie took over. One championship, one WCF appearance and should have been more if not for strategic injuries and the horrible Westbrook trade. Now 3 superstars signed since. Words matter. Failed miserably? LOL. Entitled unrealistic fan talk. IMO.
     
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    One Chip is not good enough for 20 Years(Jim and Jeanie)of guiding the Franchise- especially when you have The Best Player of his generation, as well as the best all around big man for six seasons.
    Sorry, we don’t hang WCF banners like other teams, so yeah, 1 in 20 is a really bad percentage rate.
     
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    I’m not the biggest Jeanie fan, I still don’t think the Mavs gifting us Luka means all of our FO issues are suddenly fixed either, but I’m not sure where you’re getting 20 years from. Jeanie has been in charge since 2013 (and even if we we’re counting before that as in her dad stepped back earlier for his health, we still won titles in ‘09 & ‘10), and Jim has only been gone since like 2017. So for Jeanie being in charge without Jim it’s been like 7 or 8 years. We should have done better with having LeBron and AD overall, but to be fair each of them have been injured at key times costing us playoff runs, and then of course we lost years because of the Russ trade. It isn’t the success it should have been, but, I also wouldn’t call it a miserable failure, at worst I’d say it’s been a mediocre return. One thing I can say for Jeanie though is like her father she knows how to treat a superstar, even with all that’s gone on LeBron has said he’s not going anywhere.
     
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    First, you can't blame Jeanie for Jim's failures.

    Second, she has not been in charge for 20 years. She has been in charge for exactly 8 years.

    Here is the list of teams that have won MORE than one ring in the last eight years: Golden State... that's it. One team.

    So, compared to Golden State's Joe Lacob, yes she does not measure up. Compared to the other 4 one championship owners since 2017 (Toronto, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston) she is keeping pace. Compared to the other 26 owners she is doing better.

    Jeanie's not a perfect owner. I'm still ticked at letting the Bald Eagle fly the nest for instance. But she is successful and has us heading in the right direction for the next decade.
     
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    Jim became the executive vice President in 2005. We did win two Chips after that,
    If you go back to my original quote, it was about the Buss Kids in charge at the top, not just Jeanie.
    She had to literally fire her brother because he was running the Franchise into the ground. Let’s just forget that happened.
    It took Rob’s previous relationship with Nico to get us Luka. She gets zero credit, yet again, for one of the best players in the game falling into the Lakers’ lap, but let’s just pretend that she’s the reason as to why LeBron and now Luka are here.
     
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    Well, I’m not pretending she’s why Luka is here, I said we were gifted Luka and we still have issues to work on. She at least didn’t say no to Luka out of a blind loyalty to AD, some owners can get in their own way like that. But, owners don’t typically have much to do with player movement, they just either empower their GM to do stuff or they’re cheap or meddling. Sometimes Jeanie appears to be that, like with Caruso, so she’s not perfect as I said. I don’t lump her and Jim together though, because as soon as she kicked Jim out she brought in Magic and as not great as he was he did seemingly seal the deal on LeBron. I don’t know that LeBron comes here if Jim had made the pitch, just saying.
     
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    Leadership and management is mostly about relationships; knowing and hiring the right people. If you are giving Rob credit for his relationship with Nico, so does Jeanie for hiring a person that has those relationships. Everything that Rob does is due to Jeanie hiring him and keeping him at his position.
     
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    As well as the overall excellent job scouting the Buss "kids" involved in that and the positions related to that have done for the last decade and more that gave us piayers good enough besides the picks to land AD (in a fair enough deal). And who continue, most of them to do very well around the league. Ryan West included in that bunch of course too until he had to be let go I'd imagine for the potential conflict with Pops working for the Clippers. BTW, even Ryan as far as I know hasn't been bumped up to any kind of executive job at the levels the Buss "kids" have been tasked with in the organization since Jimbo.
     
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