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  1. lakerjones

    lakerjones Moderator Staff Member

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    I said argument based on age vs Rui. 34 isn’t ancient and he doesn’t suck. Who cares that Rui is 27. He sucks in D too and has no BBall IQ and doesn’t give you double digit boards.
     
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    I mean I’m fine with trading Rui, he’s just like our largest tradable salary left, so personally I would hope we could get someone better than Vuc is all. I don’t know that swapping those 2 players changes us much because both are bad defenders, and if we’re trading for a big I would hope it would be to help our defense, not leave it the same. If we aren’t, why are we trading for a big at all? Like Rui is tall and can shoot threes too, so I just don’t get that swap, it’s just swapping very similar players, sure we’re getting a bigger player, but what does that really do if his size doesn’t matter much on D. I dunno, just how I look at it.
     
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    It would somewhat be a lateral trade, but it does satisfy AD's request since Rui is not a center. However, Vuc is the superior offensive player and rebounder to Rui, so that counts as an upgrade. But I am having second thoughts about Vuc, after looking at our opponent's paint point numbers. We are 28th in that category, even though we have AD. In theory, another defensive big would help with this. A defensive big who could shoot would be ideal, hence Turner. But, with that being said, trading Rui for Vuc is better than doing nothing at all. Vuc is at least a big body who could rebound.
     
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    Ant destroying Nuggets and even Jokic can do nothing.But Minnesota is actually playing 6 on 4 entire game ,Russ is absolutely useless today :LLLLLebronlaughing:
     
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    What …. did the Nuggets agree to “not” double team him?

    :Laugh:
     
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    Probably because Vucevic is a better rebounder, screener, scorer, passer, and floor spacer? AND an actual legit starting center in the NBA, that avgs 30 min a game in 14 seasons? I mean damn.
     
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    Great points. Also, if the Lakers were to come out and say Rui is our "center", I don't think that would be sufficient for AD. It would be embarrassing for AD to have a smaller player as the starting center, just so he could play power forward. It would be almost patronizing AD lol. I'm just looking at his from the angle of AD's request, not necessarily from what the Lakers should do.
     
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    But a lot of this opponent's paint-scoring issue is also due to the perimeter defense allowing guards to seep through (i.e. AR and Rui). I think if this area could also be shored up, it would help out a lot. It doesn't necessarily mean that we need an additional rim protector to AD. Most teams don't have one good rim protector, let alone two elite ones.
     
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    yep. this will be a problem with reaves and lebron. we have to figure out how to work around that, given their value on offense. we need to become elite on one end of the floor. i'd prefer defense, but i'll take offense, too.

    and i'm not positive vuc is as bad defensively as folks say. he can't switch onto the perimeter...but again, neither could dwight or mcgee. we played differently. and won.
     
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    Turner… I’ve been saying it for nigh on 3 years. We made a mistake in letting Brook Lopez go to play alongside AD and LeBron. We can finally right that wrong with a 3&D center.

    It gives you a legit rotation for the playoffs Lebron, Max, DFS, AD & Turner with Gabe, Reaves, Vando off the bench.
     
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    Brook wasn't a shooter when he was with us.
     
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    That's true. The center we get is not going to be perfect for us, unless it's Turner. At least Vuc gets us 2/3 of the way there if you will. He provides rebounding and three-point shooting from the center position. If you go and get a Jonas, it doesn't do much. If you get Kessler, Poetl, or Capela, it improves our defense but causes serious spacing issues.
     
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    i'm glad turner has brought you back out, but just like last time, i want to caution you and slick that just because "rival gms" think indy doesn't want to pay him does not mean he's there for the lakers' taking.
     
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    What would it take to get Turner, assuming Indy is open to moving him? Rui and both 1sts? Or DK too?
     
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    Valancunas can make 3 ,he's somewhat similar to Mark Gasol.He is not Kessler at that regard. He doesn't shoot them often now if at all playing for Washington because nobody cares what is going on there ,but if he's in Lakers jersey,he will get more opportunities and he can make them
     
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    i think we truly have no idea. i'm sure we could knock them over with two firsts and knecht, but is that smart? does it give us enough of a chance now to just sort of flush a lot of future capital?

    deja vu in both regards:

    1. not sure pritchard would deal with us at all (both due to disdain for us/rob and for ambivalence about keeping turner)
    2. not sure we can square the value even if he was

    valanciunas is definitely among the least exciting options. i've also futzed with the trade machine, and there's not a really easy path for both teams to make salaries work here. i think this is why we're hearing of brogdon and such (no way we're interested). i think valanciunas is a dead option, and max's success and the dlo trade are the primary reasons.
     
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    I’d do the two firsts and Rui for Turner before letting Dalton go. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that, plus if we are going for it now we can’t let draft talent go now in the hopes we get draft talent later.

    Regarding Vuc’s defense Rui and Vuc are a wash in terms of guarding their man, but the fact Vuc rebounds well and Rui doesn’t makes Vuc a plus by itself. Turner is the best option I’ve seen mentioned and I’d go NEARLY all in for him, but short of the Turner rumors being true, give me Vuc ASAP.
     
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    Kessler isn't available
    Valancunas is cheapest option and last season everyone wanted Biyombo,Val is better than him.
    Btw Career high 7 three's he shoot vs Clippers 3 years ago
     
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    Rui and two 2nds for vuc and then jhs and two 1sts for cam Thomas. All in, let’s go.
     
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