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  1. KuzmoBall17

    KuzmoBall17 - Lakers Starter -

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    Last season Poeltl was traded for 1 FRP . So will see what Toronto will be asking
     
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    I'm not crazy about Poetl tbh

    Pros
    -Good defensive center
    -Runs the floor well for a center
    -Good rebounder
    -Might be relatively cheap to obtain, due to his contract lingering on for 3 years. Most teams don't want that.
    -Relatively young at 29 years old

    Cons
    -Doesn't provide any floor spacing
    -Fairly strong at 7 feet 245, but there are larger centers available
    -Fouls a lot
    -Contract isn't ideal for what he is. Is under contract for 3 more years, at 19.5 million per year.
    -He probably is what he is at this point. It doesn't seem like he has much upside.

    I don't know about paying him 3 years/58.5 million just to be a big body. And also, pay assets to get him.
     
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  3. showtime24

    showtime24 - Lakers 6th Man -

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    He shouldn't be too expensive at all. His contract is fairly bad for what he provides. I mean Lakers could simply swap Rui and Wood for him, and that should be enough. I'm not crazy about it though.
     
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    FrontOfJersey22 - Lakers All Star -

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    Val or Olynyk are my top choices unless we have a shot at Turner( which I don’t think we do).
     
  5. KuzmoBall17

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    They all going to GSW and Clippers and Lakers stuck with Koloko
     
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    Olynyk sucks. He's not better than Wood but at least he's alive i guess.
     
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    I never said he was a defender. My point is he gives you twice the production that Rui does in the same minutes and he can play the 5 alongside AD who is already arguably the best big defender in the league. Vuc provides 20 points and 10 boards a game. Rui 12 and 5.
     
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    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

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    You said you don’t get any argument against him, so I posted one is all. He’s old, slow, and can’t defend, and that’s what kills us in the playoffs, not being able to defend big centers and get rebounds. That’s why I’m not high on him and would prioritize a few other guys ahead of him, even if it costs a first rounder.
     
  10. showtime24

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    What about the opportunity cost of playing two non-shooting centers together? Vucavic would at least be able to mitigate that problem by spacing the floor.
     
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    no?

    olynyk has been a plus on both ends for years. i think i floated rui/jhs for olynyk/mitchell, and i'd probably be happier about that than trading a future 1st for poeltl, tbh.
     
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    We are 28th in the NBA in opponents point in the paint and AD is supposed to be a good defensive center?
     
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    Look even you hate Lebron and this era should be closed, do you still want to keep Reaves? If you do it makes much more sense to go after Kessler who covers for Reaves really only weakness (athletic physical guards can get him in the post office the dribble).

    I hope the Lakers aren't serious about Vuc or Jonas those guys suck on D
     
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    if vuc is as bad on defense as that guy says, he should have some words with defensive metrics, most of which have him as only slightly bad or average.

    and yes, those numbers aren't perfect, but if he was truly that bad, you'd think it would show up.

    and he'd be sitting in crunch time with AD at center, just like the beloved dwight and javale did, guys.
     
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    Vucevic won't average 20/10 with us. He'll have less minutes, usage and will be playing alongside AD so his numbers will go down

    I'm not against it but just wanted to clarify this because I saw it posted before too
     
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    He starts next to a 40 year old LeBron James, Rui Hachimura, and Austin Reaves, the man is human, he can only cover for so much. You add Vuc to that lineup and take like Max? We’d be cooked.
     
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    I don't know man, it's funny that he seems to require another rim protector to go along with him. Most teams go small and only have one big at most. With that said, Myles Turner's name now coming up in talks. I don't like Turner's sub par rebounding for a big, but I'm not sure how much of that is due to him paying on the perimeter. A three team trade could've made between Lakers/Jazz/Pacers.

    Lakers get: Turner, Mills, Sheppard,2025 Jazz 1st (2nd worse of their 3 picks), 2029 Pacers 2nd

    Jazz get: Knecht, Johnson, Wood, 2029 Lakers 1st (unprotected), 2027 protection removed.

    Pacers get: Kessler, Vando, and Vincent

    -Lakers satisfy AD's request. We are 28th in opponent's points in the paint. This should help with that. We are also 28th in 3PA and 3PM, so adding Tuner helps with that, although it really sucks to loose Knecht. Also able to do this without trading Rui. We improve our interior defense, but hurt our perimeter defense potential with this deal. But, Lakers seem to want to keep Rui, and prefer to deal Vando/Gabe. Also, loosing Knecht increases the need to keep Rui. Mills helps provide bench shooting though. I don't know much about Sheppard though. Just thrown in for roster balance. One roster spot is also created, so Lakers could look to add a different backup PG if they feel Mills is not sufficient. We also get some picks back from Utah and Pacers, so it help ease the pain a little of loosing our picks.

    -Jazz get their desired haul for Kessler

    -Pacers able to add a top tier young defensive center who would fit well with them. Kessler joins his Team USA teammate Haliburton, where he would receive lobs all day. Paers also get back two excellent defensive role players, albeit questionable. Vando's deal is tough, but it's not as bad for them compared to what they would pay Turner. Vando also younger than Turner, more on their timeline.
     
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    teams run action to get AD out of the paint against us.
     
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    Rui wouldn't be here, where is Max going? Meh..this new found obsession, that everyone has to be, some kind of great or "good" defensive player, is some nonsense. Jokic still can't guard a tombstone.

    For that price, he's a no brainer.

    Vucevic, Reaves, Finney-Smith, Vando and Max, would more than hold their own, against any team for stretches, with Lebron and AD on the bench. Gotta make that deal.

    Myles Turner....don't even get my hopes up folks!! I'm not even going to comment on that idea....yet! Everybody knows what's up with Slick, on the Myles Turner subject.
     
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    Yep. Imagine an AD and Finney-Smith Vando, Vucevic and Reaves lineup, while Lebron is resting. This trade could unlock some interesting lineup possibilities.

    Gabe or Max gives you even more flexibility. A lot still depends on how Jarred looks in a couple of weeks. The team would be better period, but if Vanderbilt is right, we in business.
     
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