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    Positional Update, sorted most needed to least needed...

    OG/C
    Andre James 85
    Parham 77
    Brown 25
    Meredith 44
    Fluker ?

    CB
    Hobbs 76
    Jones 68
    Bennett 48
    Webb 39
    Facyson 32
    Armstrong N/A

    T
    Miller 81
    Munford 72
    Wagner ?
    McKenzie ?

    TE
    Mayer 66
    Bryant 56
    Fotheringham 28
    Gentry 13
    Shenker

    S
    Moehrig 83
    Epps 79
    Pola-Mao 43
    Smith 30
    Grant ?
    Jones, T. ?

    LB
    Spillane 87
    Deablo 71
    Masterson 59
    Burney 39
    Smith 29
    Butler 25
    Mauga 24

    QB
    Minshew 76
    O'Connell 72
    Brown 33*

    WR
    Adams 87
    Meyers 81
    Tucker 61
    Turner 29
    Wilkerson 20

    RB
    Mattison 71
    White 58
    Abdullah 50
    Brown ?
    McCormick ?

    DI
    Wilkins 82
    Jenkins 66
    A. Butler 64
    McCall 48
    Young 37
    M. Butler 27
    Jade Silvera 26
    Agoha

    DE
    Crosby 95
    Koonce 73
    Wilson* 56
    Robinson 38
    Snowden

    Positions I expect to experience the most season-to-season growth internally: TE, QB, RB, DE.

    So, we most need a Guard, Tackle, CB, and LB in my mind.
     
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    I was looking at some advance stats on offensive lines and decided to do some digging. Here's (arguably) our best OL run blockers from last season:

    Eleumunor (14 points)
    Van Roten (10 points)
    Parham (9 points)
    James (5 points)
    Munford (5 points)
    Miller (2 points)

    Eleumunor is gone. Van Roten is not under contract. Those are massive blows to the run game.
     
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    Points based on SISD stats (really cool site), yards per carry and yards per game while in the lineup.
     
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    Drafted a TE. He’s a really good tight end. But I don’t know about that pick.
     
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    I wasn't really sure on what we were going to do especially after the run on QBs. After watching a few things and marinating on it I think Tom T stayed true to form by not selling the farm to move up (if there was options to do so) and then picking the Best available. I saw that he is considered a top 5 pick in the draft talent wise. Im feeling the pick BUT, like one youtuber said, we need to see what they do about the offensive line and some of our depth.

    I can say this much I don't think we, as Raider Nation, can look at this pick and see we didn't pick a "Stretch" or "potential" type player. Thats already better than the last few years.
     
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    Rookie Ratings
    1.13 Bowers 69 - would be just above Mayer's 66 from last season.
    2.44 Jackson Powers-Johnson 70
    -I'm not sure what position he'll play, but as a rookie, he's projected at a rating of 70, just below Munford's 72 from last season.
     
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    Seems like the Raiders want Powers-Johnson for G.
    3rd rounder: Delmar Glaze 40.
    It's not a pick people are loving. Seems like a reach.

    Without Van Roten, the Raiders look something like this:

    LT Miller 81
    LG Parham 77
    C James 85
    RG Powers-Johnson 70
    RT Munford 72
     
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    DJ James is out there and available right now. He's arguably the top CB prospect left. Will the Raiders grab him?
     
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    Okay; they did grab a CB. Decamerion Richardson.

    Great athlete but with a slight frame.
    Rookie Projection: 51.
    That would be 6th best among our DBs, 4th best among CBs. He could earn himself some PT.

    Edit: Apparently, Chris Simms is a huge fan. Had his rated his 5th best CB.
     
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    I don't like Ohio State, but I think Eichenberg is a great pick. We're in the 5th round, so you're already thinking about special teams and role players, but his upside is a 3-down starter. He's a promising addition.

    LBs
    Spillane 87
    Deablo 71
    Eichenberg 65
    Masterson 59
     
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    1.13 Brock Bowers TE
    2.44 Jackson Powers-Johnson C/G
    3.77 DJ Glaze OT
    4.112 Decamerion Richardson CB
    5.148 Tommy Eichenberg LB
    6.208 Dylan Laube RB
    7.223 Trey Taylor S
    7.229 MJ Devonshire CB

    Updates after looking at more scouting reports and comparisons.

    1.13 Brock Bowers TE
    TEs are slow to develop, and Bowers will struggle in blocking, but he'll have some huge moments in the receiving game. He and Mayer give the Raiders arguably the best TE group over the next three seasons.
    Rookie Projection: 65 (adequate starter)
    Ceiling: 80+ (elite)
    Floor: 60+ (adequate)

    2.44 Jackson Powers-Johnson C/G
    JPJ has some impressive comparisons, and he could make an immediate and big impact inside. He'll probably pay Guard.
    Rookie Projection: 72 (good starter)
    Ceiling: 80+ (elite)
    Floor: 60+ (adequate)

    3.77 DJ Glaze OL
    Glaze may be better suited as an OG, and that could affect both the amount of PT he receives and his overall value in the NFL. Both could be bad for his development, but there's some top end there.
    Rookie Projection: 32 (roster body)
    Ceiling: 70 (good starter)
    Floor: 30 (roster body)

    4.112 Decamerion Richardson CB
    He's long and fast, but he has a slight frame. He's fast as hell, and he can close, but you'd like to see him not get beaten and have to close.
    Rookie Projection: 56 (rotational player)
    Ceiling: 65 (adequate/solid starter)
    Floor: 30 (roster body)

    5.148 Tommy Eichenberg LB
    Eichenberg thrives near the line of scrimmage. He can diagnose and shut down plays as they're developing. His coverage skills will be limited. LV has a serious opportunity for a third LB to step up.
    Rookie Projection: 53 (rotational player)
    Ceiling: 70 (good starter)
    Floor: 30 (roster body)

    6.208 Dylan Laube RB
    Laube is a fantastic route runner and receiver. He's probably going to need work on inside running and pass blocking, but he has the tools to be successful in a receiving role early on. He's also a possible contributor on special teams, especially as a returner.
    Rookie Projection: 50 (rotational player)
    Ceiling: 68 (good roleplayer)
    Floor: 20 (practice squad)

    7.223 Trey Taylor S
    Strong and quick but very average physical profile otherwise. Taylor logged a bunch of tackles in each of three seasons as a starter at Air Force. He defended 13 passes, picked off 6, and returned one for a TD.
    Rookie Projection: 25 (practice squad/roster body)
    Ceiling: 45 (special teamer/rotational player)
    Floor: 20 (practice squad)

    7.229 MJ Devonshire CB
    Lethal with the ball in his hands. He took 3 INTs and 1 punt to the house in his final two seasons at Pitt. Doubt he'll get the chance to return punts in the NFL, however, as he loves running backwards and averaged only 4.9 per return as a Senior. Great leaping skills, long arms make for tight windows. Possible slot corner.
    Rookie Projection: 53 (rotational player)
    Ceiling: 65 (adequate starter)
    Floor: 20 (practice squad)

    I think the Raiders grabbed two sure fire starters (Bowers, Powers-Johnson), four players who will be rotational players, and two who will fight for a roster spot.
     
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    Michael Gallup on board.
     
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    Updating our Positions of Concern, post Draft.


    Starting with FORMERLY most needed:

    OG/C
    Andre James 85
    POWERS-JOHNSON 79
    Parham 77
    Whitehair 61
    Meredith 44
    Brown 25
    -Huge acquisition. Powers-Johnson could become an elite OG. I feel confident in this position now.

    CB
    Hobbs 76
    Jones 68
    RICHARDSON 56
    DEVONSHIRE 53
    Bennett 48
    Webb 39
    Facyson 32
    Armstrong N/A
    -Raiders added two promising players. We have our top 2 CBs settled, but those rookies and Bennett should duke it out for the last spot. I don't want to sleep on Webb or Facyson though. Both have contributed in the NFL.

    T
    Miller 81
    Munford 72
    GLAZE 32*
    Wagner ?
    McKenzie ?
    -Unless one of those guys listed under OG/C is shifting here, this becomes a position with little to no depth. Glaze may be best suited as an OG. Wagner missed all last season. McKenzie hasn't played a snap.

    TE
    Mayer 66
    BOWERS 65
    Bryant 56
    Fotheringham 28
    Gentry 13
    Shenker
    -It may not be in 2024, but this is going to be an elite TE duo. Bowers is already a great receiving TE, and Mayer developed into both a competent receiver and blocker over last season.

    S
    Moehrig 83
    Epps 79
    Pola-Mao 43
    Smith 30
    TAYLOR 25
    Grant ?
    -Taylor is a prospect, but with Moehrig and Epps, the top spots are settled.

    LB
    Spillane 87
    Deablo 71
    Masterson 59
    EICHENBERG 53
    Burney 39
    Smith 29
    Butler 25
    Mauga 24
    -Spillane and Deablo were the clear best backers, but after that Masterson left a little to be desired. With Eichenberg, they have options. And I'm always interested in a second year leap from players, so it's worth keeping an eye on Burney.

    QB
    Minshew 76
    O'Connell 72
    Brown 33*
    -I can't see UDFA Carter Bradley making the roster over Brown. It's really a question of whether we roll with Minshew or AOC, and I'm AOK with AOC :)

    WR
    Adams 87
    Meyers 81
    GALLUP 67
    Tucker 61
    Turner 29
    Wilkerson 20
    GRIFFIN?
    -Still sucks to see Renfrow's name missing, but the Raiders have added Gallup. The Raiders have four quality WRs, so there's little room to add anyone else. I'm going to put Lideatrick "Tulu" Griffin, a UDFA, on there. He led the NCAA in yards per kickoff return in 2022, and he's third all-time in the NCAA in yards per return. The Raiders have options at KR, but his name has to be considered.

    RB
    Mattison 71
    White 58
    Abdullah 50
    LAUBE 50
    Brown ?
    McCormick ?
    McAllister
    -The Raiders' new OC likes to run, and the Raiders have White and Mattison to do that. Abdullah was solid as a change of pace back, but he's aging. Laube fills a similar role, and he's an electric receiver. I expect those four to make the roster.

    DI
    Wilkins 82
    Jenkins 66
    A. Butler 64
    McCall 48
    Young 37
    M. Butler 27
    Jade Silvera 26
    Agoha
    -Wilkins will do wonders for this group, Jenkins was stout against the run, and Butler is a competent DT, too. Will Wilson slide over here to add even more options?

    DE
    Crosby 95
    Koonce 73
    Wilson* 56
    Robinson 38
    Snowden
    -Crosby and Koonce will hold down the edges. After that, it's worth wondering what would happen if one of them misses time.

    Biggest questions?
    Starting QB
    3rd CB
    3rd LB
    3rd S
    3rd DE
    3rd T
    5th WR
    Returners?
     
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    One last post. This could be fun or awful.
    I wanted to do some thinking about potential growth from players in year 2. Here are comparisons with other players to see estimate their growth (or lack thereof).

    Tyree Wilson
    Age 23 [56]

    Chandler Jones made a huge leap from Year 1 to Year 2, going from 6 t0 11.5 sacks. He was a year younger than Wilson.
    Age 22 [78]
    Age 23 [82]

    Judon was older than Wilson. He saw a huge leap, too, going from 4 to 8 sacks and starting 12 games.
    Age 24 [56]
    Age 25 [75]

    Ansah was older than Wilson. In year 1, he had 8 sacks. In year 2, he had 7.5, but his peripherals were much improved, and he was a starter.
    Age 24 [67]
    Age 25 [79]

    Wilson Projection
    Age 24 [68]
    -Not bad. 70 is a solid starter.

    Michael Mayer
    Age 22 [66]

    Andrews
    Age 23 [67]
    Age 24 [76]

    Eifert
    Age 23 [71]
    Age 24 [27]*played only 1 game
    Age 25 [84]

    Mayer Projection
    Age 23 [73]
    -Nice increase, and with Bowers on the other side the Raiders are in good shape.

    Tre Tucker
    Age 22 [61]

    Mecole Hardman
    Age 21 [66]
    Age 22 [68]

    Tyler Lockett
    Age 23 [76]
    Age 24 [69]

    Tucker Projection
    Age 22 [65]
    -These comparables were mostly maxed out as receivers early on. Tucker might be close to his top end, too.

    Jakorian Bennett
    Age 23 [48]

    L'Jarius Sneed
    Age 23 [66]
    Age 24 [76]

    Jamel Dean
    Age 23 [66]
    Age 24 [78]

    Bennett Projection
    Age 24 [58]
    -He could see a leap, but he'll need playing time.

    Christopher Smith
    Age 23 [30]

    Abram
    Age 23 [28]
    Age 24 [56]
    Age 25 [72]

    Smith Projection
    Age 24 [41]
    -Smith could get lucky, but he might also be on the outside, looking in.

    Amari Burney
    Age 23 [39]

    Quay Walker
    Age 22 [67]
    Age 23 [72]

    Patrick Queen
    Age 21 [51]
    Age 22 [61]
    Age 23 [81]

    Brian Cole
    DNP

    Burney Projection
    Age 24 [44]
    -Some of the comparisons here are elite players, but he's older than they were.

    Nesta Jade Silvera
    Age 23 [26]

    Rashard Lawrence
    Age 22 [43]
    Age 23 [52]
    Age 24 [45]

    Silvera Projection
    Age 24 [32]
    -Unless he's much matured from last season, Jade Silvera could be done.

    AOC
    Age 25 [72]

    Tannehill
    Age 24 [79]
    Age 25 [87]
    Age 26 [85]

    Cousins
    Age 24 [49]
    Age 25 [48]
    Age 26 [57]

    AOC Projection
    Age 26 [76]
    -It's hard to find rookie QBs who play at 25. Tannehill and Cousins were 24. Matt Moore is another comparable, but he's too old school to have the stats I need to run these analyses. AOC could play out his rookie contract and be a quality starter.
     
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    ^ It's interesting to see the comparisons.

    I think Tyree's numbers are def skewed because of the injury and moving inside. I expect him to have a major jump in year two. No longer injured, full camp and all the other weapons we have on the D line will give him a chance to shine.

    AO12, as you all know I'm high on, will def have a massive jump. I think fans have underestimated his ability based on skewed stats/play from last season. AP said he didn't need AOC to "win" games just to play smart. This year he will have a full camp and preseason, plus competition from Minshew and a whole lot of weapons including 2 great TEs and a healthy RB1 plus, and most importantly, a healthy line. I really think this kid has a "it" factor that many fans are overlooking. This is his for the taking IMO.

    I think Big Mike was on his way to an amazing season. If he wasn't hurt I believe we would of made the playoffs. Him and AOC had great chemistry. Adding Bowers will help the TE room thrive. Im really curious how those two get worked into the play calling.
     
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    New signees Andrus Peat and Jalen Guyton.
     
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    Signings
    WR Jalen Guyton (52)
    He's been at 52, 34, and 60 over the last three seasons.
    He also hasn't played any special teams over the last two seasons. I'm having a hard time seeing what he does for the WRs. I guess he's fast as hell.

    WR Michael Gallup (64)
    Gallup's 64 rating last season was lower than his 71 and 73 in the previous two seasons, but it's still solid. He's a little slower than Guyton, but he seems a better rounded WR.

    Andrus Peat (71)
    peat was a three-time Pro Bowler. Since 2021, he hasn't been quite the same, but he's been solid. He has 29 starts in that time and has logged 1700 snaps. He has posted a 71 rating last season and was at 60 and 52 in the two seasons prior to that.


    WRs
    Adams 87
    Meyers 81
    Gallup 64*
    Tucker 61
    Guyton 52*
    Turner 29
    -I could see both making the roster, but I could also see Guyton being left off.

    OG
    POWERS-JOHNSON 79
    Parham 77
    Peat 71*
    Whitehair 61
    -Not sure where they see Peat. He has played mostly OG, but we're kind of in good shape there.

    OT
    Miller 81
    Munford 72
    Peat 71*
    GLAZE 32*
    -Just for comparison's sake.
     
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    I'm really excited to see the sophomore jump for those three. Tyree has some great depth around him and some guys to learn the trade from - Maxx and Wilkins are two awesome teachers.

    Agreed about AOC and MM. AOC was the second best rookie QB in the second half of the season. MM developed as a blocker, too.
     
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    Interesting additions. What do you think about Peat?
     
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    I like the signing but I wouldn't bank on him starting. He could be just a depth piece.
     
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