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I get it.He seems to be a terrible teammate.If he wants a one year make good contract I wouldn’t be opposed

 

if i'm a cap space team that strikes out, i'd offer him a decent-sized one-year deal with a team option on a second. then i'd hope that as the deadline comes, some contender (clippers) gets desperate and thinks he can put them over the top, so you get an asset out of it.

but if i'm a team that wants to win and has limited means, i'm not going near him.

 

Understandable.His skill set is something that this team needs though.A big man who can score off the bench and stretch the floor.Not a good man to man defender but adequate as a help defender.I’m not entirely sold believe me but he is intriguing to me.

 

Yeah that's not a bad idea at all. He always puts up stats so there's always someone desperate by the trade deadline

 

Talk about a f***ing steal. Jazz have been after him for a year and got him for free. Good for Collins. Finally that weight is off his back and he can be somewhere he's wanted.



Going to be interesting to see how they deploy all that size. Cleveland West

 

Dame meeting going down today. He's not wasting any time

 

Initial reaction was that I wish we could have somehow got Collins if that’s all it took…

But after looking at how his stats declined this past year, and more importantly his contract (he’ll still be making $27 million in 3 years), I think that would have been too big a gamble. Also was reading some Atlanta fans believe that he really injured his finger and they feel he’ll never get his shot back as a result.

So honestly the more I think about it, I’m not sure how much I like this trade for Utah. If I was in their position, I’d want to use my cap space to absorb bad contracts only if I was RECEIVING more draft compensation. Not sending out a second rounder to gamble on someone like Collins.

Like honestly I’d probably rather just try to sign Kuzma to a similar contract in FA then use my cap space absorbing Collins.

 

I'm 85% sure it's mental and being on the trade block since his sophomore season. I think he's going to make the Hawks look really foolish sooner than later. And instead of getting anything back for these few years, they settle on Gay's corpse and 2nd round compensation. Fail.


How about this one?



Also worth noting

 

Lakers should look at Jevon Carter in free agency. He is the perfect Derek Fisher type point guard to put next to Reaves. He could either start next to Reaves in the first unit, or play along side DHS in the second unit, as Reaves and JHS are both big point guards. I think this guy is vastly under rated. He is a fit for our team. He is a career 40% three-point shooter on high volume, at 2.6/6.6 per 36 minutes. That is not even mentioning the defense that he provides, as that is what he is known for. Additionally, he played under Darvin Ham during the 2021-2022 season. I mean, if Dlo is brought back for a two year deal for say 30 million per year, we would only have the TPMLE left, so we would be able to offer that to Carter. We could also consider utilizing all or part of the full MLE on Carter if we let Dlo go.

 

is he like Hassan Whiteside? Good stats but low impact? Didn't we try that with Andre Drummond?

 

When Ham had success with Gabriel because he'd coached him before, I immediately went scouring the Bucks roster to see who could fit that bill this free agency. I landed on Carter and have had him penciled in as the most logical replacement for whoever left, looks like it'll be DS due to $ (just my assumption).

The offensive version. Whiteside is dumb but given chances for his weak side D and rebounding. With Wood, it's all offense + whatever he brings on the glass.

 

Carter makes a ton of sense for us. I think this is a guy that makes sense for up to the full MLE if Russell leaves. Milwaukee does have his bird rights though, not sure what their situation though, but we may have to pay up to pry him away. I think many would gladly take him for 2 years / 24 M over Dlo for 2 years/60 M. When you think about it, Carter provides more of what we need than Dlo does. Sure, it is nice that Dlo is tall and is a good passer, but we really do not need that with Austin and now JHS in the mix. Carter is smaller and is not a traditional point guard, buy he provides much better defense, better shooting, and is probably better in the playoffs (don't have this info). Also, when you factor in the Ham factor. Put it this way, I would feel much more comfortable giving 12.2 per year to Carter than Shroeder, since Jevon is a much better shooter, and does not need the ball in his hands at all.

 

Stein stuff


KAT is the more likely to be moved of the Minny bigs

Porzingis likely getting extended

OG leaving Klutch

Rose generating interest from Suns, Bucks, Bulls

Cam Johnson is Detroit's #1 target

 

I get you in that it is indeed a gamble. But the guy averaged 20/10 twice in a row in year 2 and 3. Then regressed to 17/7 when the trade talks started to intensify. Last year was a disaster. He is well built and clearly skilled. You hear him talk and he seems grounded. I agree with JSM that it was mental. It's tough.
A change of scenario will do him wonders and I definitely see him averaging like 19/8 next season.
Then all the desperate contending teams like Mavs, Clippers or Philly are right now will be salivating to trade for him, because Utah doesn't really need him as a building block and gets a couple of FRPs or a young guy.
It's a brilliant move

Oh yeah, if Atlanta is selling like this I would try it lol
This may mean that the extension on Dejounte is probably agreed. I wished he hit Free Agency next year

 

Dirty Kelly?

hmm

smart player and can ball though

 

he's suggesting we operate below the cap? does he want us to lose?

just to be clear--operating below the cap means basically having like, 20-30 million to spend to fill in around lebron/AD/reaves/vando/jhs. yeah, great idea.

 

supposedly dallas and atlanta talked a lot the past few weeks, and dallas said they wouldn't take collins in any package. his contract is considered radioactive by most teams. utah can afford to gamble. winning teams can't, as you're screwed long-term if he stays the same guy he's been lately.

guessing murray won't sign an extension? he's limited to a 40% raise on his 17 million dollar deal in an extension, right? feel like that's too low for a starting number in what will probably be the biggest deal of his career. i'd risk it if i were him. fvv might get 30 per this year, and he's older and arguably less effective.

also, atlanta getting clear of collins's money does wonders for their cap situation and makes it so that there's no need to move hunter. that was the point. they can now afford to keep murray, hunter, okongwu, etc. because they're not paying nearly 30 million to a guy they obviously hated. i mean, they just shaved 20 million off their cap!

 

my money's on us keeping bamba and either trading or just cutting beasley. obviously, if money's no object the way to go is keep both. we'd suddenly be the clippers in terms of kicking a** on the deadline market for 7th/8th men who are too expensive on bad teams but would be great here.