Rui Hachimura Discussion

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    draymond needs to work on his delivery if he wants to make a career of this kind of thing, post-playing days. he's just kind of rambling with no clear plan most of the time.
    he's right about the midrange shot and the playoffs, though. you have to be able to knock those down because good teams aren't giving you wide open corner threes all night in the playoffs. he's also right about people imposing their ideas of what teams should be in narrow ways.
     
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    so when is draymond joining the lakers? it's just a matter of time really
     
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    Simmons podcast they had a Wizards fan on and the biggest knock on him is that Rui just didn't seem engaged a lot
    Would seem disinterested for long stretches even when they were trying to feature him and would kind of show up every other game. This actually matches his boxscore, dud followed by a really game then another dud followed by a good game

    hopefully contract year and just playing with Lebron/Ad fixes that quick
     
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    Lowe compared him to Allan Houston: emply calorie scoring and nothing else. hopefully playing with lebron can have him concentrate on the defensive end and more on the glass
     
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    And Beverly (for a while at least) and Ham would be on him if he didn’t compete consistently.
     
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    we'll see. gotta say i'm shocked that another C Bags fan with a big platform is unimpressed with something the lakers did, though. had boston traded 2 2nds for hachimura, i wonder if he'd be allan houston. or if allan houston would be invoked as an insult rather than praise.
     
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    He liked the trade for the Lakers FYI. Just described why he didn't work out with the Wizards
     
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    There was an article I read when all the trade grades, recaps, and instant reactions came out and I'll have to look for it later but it focused on the Wizards draft history and their development of those players. My God! They've been bad. Outside of Beal and Wall, the past 13 year resembles a train wreck. They either whiff on guys going later or the guys they take, they don't know how to develop them (Johnny Davis this year included).

    My hope and expectation is that Ham and, to a much larger degree, Handy are going to give this unpolished kid everything he needs to thrive. He's only been interested in ball since age 12. He's working with Handy the day he lands in LA, I'd say that's a good start. We'll see how quickly he picks up these teachings and that will determine his cost this summer and how much ($/years) we invest in him.
     
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    When he decides to take the MLE.
     
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    Don’t forget the tight hug from Jeanie ….

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    I listened to that Lowe Post episode and thought Lowe was pretty fair, I also don't think any C Bags fandom comes across in his podcasts. Lowe literally said in the episode that he liked the deal for the Lakers. The Allan Houston comparison was specifically to how Hachimura had played in Washington; solid individual scoring, mostly from the midrange, but inconsistent spot-up shooting and defensive effort with objectively bad playmaking. As a result, he didn't impact winning much in Washington. I think its going to be completely different with us as he'll have defined roles on both ends of the court.
     
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    I like him more and more already
     
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    Maybe wishful thinking on my part but something tells me this kid seeing him look at the rafters and see the jerseys with that twinkle in his eye and Him also manifesting in college saying this is his home kid is gonna bring fire everyday :Noddingyes: he is a lot like Iggy in size
     
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    We already have hillbilly. Kobe can we add Japanese Kobe or Kobe beef :Dwight Shaka:
     
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    " HE CAN SCORE " As per the Athletic...


    Rui Hachimura was officially introduced as a Lakers player on Tuesday night ahead of the Lakers’ 133-115 loss to the LA Clippers. Hachimura is making his debut on Wednesday against the Spurs, according to Lakers head coach Darvin Ham.

    To dissect Hachimura’s strengths, weaknesses and fit with the Lakers, The Athletic has gathered Lakers beat writer Jovan Buha and Wizards beat writer Josh Robbins for a roundtable discussion about Hachimura’s strengths, weaknesses and expected role in L.A.

    Jovan Buha: Josh, thanks for doing this. I think it’s safe to say that Lakers fans are excited about Hachimura’s arrival based on conversations I’ve had and the reaction on social media. What can they expect from him? What are his strengths? It’s no secret that the Lakers have been seeking an upgrade in the frontcourt, and he appears to check a lot of the boxes.

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    Josh Robbins: I can distill Hachimura’s best attribute in three words: He can score.

    That may not seem profound, but he possesses an uncanny feel for getting good looks at the basket and then converting on those good looks, especially from the midrange on in. Someone glancing at Hachimura’s stats for the first time may not be overwhelmed by his 13.0 points per game this season, but it’s important to note that he averaged only 23.4 minutes per game in Washington.

    To put it another way: Through Monday, he ranked fourth on the Wizards in points per 36 minutes, at 19.3 points, trailing only Bradley Beal (24.4 points per 36 minutes), Kristaps Porziņģis (24.3) and Kyle Kuzma (22.3).

    And although he almost certainly prefers to start, he still can heat up in a hurry off the bench. Within the last month, he’s twice scored 30 points in a game. The first time, on Dec. 28 against Phoenix, he played only 27 minutes, 42 seconds. The second time, this past Saturday against Orlando, he played just 29 minutes, 59 seconds. He’s not going to be that prolific in most games, but it shows how well he can score — and how he’s not bashful looking for his shot.

    He has the potential to be a bona fide floor-spacer. Last season, he took a massive leap as a 3-point shooter, making 44.7 percent of his attempts on the relatively low volume of 2.9 attempts per game. This season, he’s shooting just 33.7 percent from deep on nearly identical volume. Despite the decline in accuracy, he has become adept at faking a shot beyond the arc, putting the ball on the deck and either pulling up for a midrange jumper (his specialty) or driving to the hoop.

    Hachimura has an NBA-ready body with good strength, but he can go long stretches in games in which he doesn’t appear very athletic. Then, all of a sudden, he’ll make a play that will make people watching him, including scouts, go, “Whoa!” So he’s athletic enough. He just needs to show it more often.

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    Buha: That all sounds appealing. What about his weaknesses? There had to be reasons why Washington was willing to move on from him despite his age and pedigree.

    Robbins: His weaknesses are significant, and big picture, his weaknesses revolve around how awkwardly he often fits into a five-man game.

    Defensively, he often looks uninterested, and he struggled at times with his team defense and with defending on the perimeter, which is something I think he still feels uncomfortable with.

    Here’s what Wizards coach Wes Unseld Jr. told me earlier this month when I asked about Hachimura’s development: “He’s got a better feel for his weakside defense, the individual, one-on-one piece. … But his overall awareness of what we’re trying to do schematically is much better. You can tell he’s in the right spots. When he’s dialed in, he can play with that level of physicality, and it impacts the game.”

    Note the words “when he’s dialed in.” To read between the lines there, Hachimura may have made improvements, but he can still be very inconsistent on defense, which is something that reduced his minutes in Washington and prevented him from earning a larger role.

    Just a little while ago, I mentioned that Hachimura can score. That’s good, but a lot of the time, it’s also bad. He has a glaring tendency to play with blinders on — so much so that the moment he gets the ball, there are times you can tell he has no intention of passing to teammates. If you appreciate ball movement and unselfish play, he can be difficult to watch. According to the advanced analytics tracked by Cleaning the Glass, Hachimura has one of the worst assist rate-to-usage rate ratios among all NBA forwards this season.

    As for why the Wizards moved him, Kyle Kuzma arrived in Washington just before Hachimura took an excused leave of absence following the Tokyo Olympics and missed almost half of the 2021-22 season. Kuzma has outplayed Hachimura ever since, and the Wizards want to re-sign Kuzma when he reaches unrestricted free agency this summer. Moving Hachimura will make it easier for Washington to keep Kuzma this offseason and remain under the luxury tax.

    The Wizards and Hachimura did not reach an extension agreement during the window for rookie-scale extensions, and Hachimura wanted the Wizards to trade him.

    Do you think having LeBron James as a teammate will help Hachimura be more unselfish on the court?

    Buha: I think so. Playing with James tends to yield a more team-first mindset from most players, as your best player often sets the tone with their mentality and approach.

    I also think the Lakers will probably shift Hachimura’s offensive role more toward being a finisher rather than an on-ball initiator. They already have a slew of ballhandlers and guards. I suspect most of his shots will come off catch-and-shoot opportunities, rolls and cuts, and in transition, where the Lakers excel as a group. He won’t get as many isolations or midrange looks as he did in Washington.

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    The Lakers are betting on their locker room’s ability to unlock a more focused and consistent version of Hachimura with players like James, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverley setting an example with winning habits.

    Robbins: I’ll be interested to see if he can make the transition into having fewer isos and midrange looks, but if James is feeding him the ball, chances are James will put Hachimura into spots where he can succeed.

    How do you think he fits into the Lakers’ rotation?

    Buha: From what I’ve been told, Hachimura is expected to start at some point soon, if not from Day 1. He’ll plug in nicely alongside Davis and James, forming a frontcourt that’s light on shooting but dominant from a versatility and physicality standpoint. He should be in the 26- to 28-minute range, I’d guess, but that’ll depend on how well he plays, to some extent.

    The Lakers desperately needed more size, length and athleticism in their frontcourt, and Hachimura can immediately step in and take some of the minutes that were going to Troy Brown Jr., Wenyen Gabriel and Juan Toscano-Anderson. As long as he’s an upgrade over those three players, which he should be, I think this deal was worthwhile for the Lakers — at least in the short term. Long term, I’m interested in how the Lakers approach Hachimura’s restricted free agency and what his market looks like.

    I could see Hachimura being more involved in the offense with the second-unit lineups led by James and Westbrook — lineups that want to play fast and get downhill. When he plays with the starters, he’ll be the third, if not the fourth option, behind James, Davis and sometimes Dennis Schröder. He should slot in nicely as one of the team’s top seven or eight players.

    Robbins: There’s something I’d like to add. Since the trade, I’ve heard it said and seen it written that Hachimura is a wing. That’s not his natural position. His natural position is power forward. In Washington this season, he played the four the vast majority of the time.

    Part of the issue is that he’s not a creator on offense and needs to work on his handle. Also, while he probably has the athleticism to guard many wings in short doses, I think he’s better off defending players who aren’t quite as quick.

    But if he can shore up that aspect of his defensive game, he would become a much more valuable player. Perhaps Darvin Ham, who played with such admirable grit, can unlock that in Hachimura.

    (Photo of Rui Hachimura: Jayne Kamin-Oncea / USA Today)
     
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    For the vegans amongst us ... Kobe Almost-Beef or Kobe Like-Beef?
     
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    Didn't Allan Houston drop 50 on Kobe

     
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    All this talk about Rui being engaged, I'd say that is the least of our worries, I don't know why it isn't talked about much but so far, the guys games played per season has been:
    48 (covid 72 game season)
    57 (covid 72 game season)
    42

    And he has missed 16 games this season. I am far more worried about him disappearing physically than disappearing mentally for games.
     
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