2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ke-trade-calls-on-gordon-hayward-rozier-oubre

Hope Rob makes the first call.
Rozier is a long contract but a good one for his production on the court. It's also a good trading chip for post-Lebron when we make a move for a superstar. AND he is a great fit to LeBron, he would average around 4 triples playing with LeBron. Plus, he would be another source for shot creation, we don't have many.
Hayward is washed. He would come just to save us a pick and will be yet another good expiring for us to trade next year. If he can gives a couple good games in the playoffs, it's a win.
Oubre is injured which is bad. He may be back around March (?), giving us a big wing that can shoot it too.

I think considering Hayward's contract and Oubre injury, they shouldn't expect to get picks on such deal. We may not include Oubre so we keep Bev/Nunn to have more options on the short term, both to play or for another deal.
I don't think we can get better than Rozier in a trade for Russ, people here would love him, he can really ball.

 

LOL ... BUT. Can't be only me watching this season unfold, that with our challenged depth wise roster, and watching how Russ has evolved to find a way to be pretty much a positive force off the bench with the playmaking and scoring and matching athleticism and dominance of other teams players (when he's playing well, of course mixed with the errors and problems that come with him) .... that if he were suddenly gone and that positive chemistry as well, it probably would be a bad thing at this point?

 

Hayward is a walking injury.

Oubre is not a good basketball player, has never been a shooter and is one of the worse SFs at finishing the rim. He also isn’t a good defender.

And the Rozier of this season isn’t even better than this version of Russ.

So what would this trade actually do for us? Make us worse while having 3 new pieces to try and gel again. That just torpedos our season.

That’s a hard pass from me.

 

Finally someone preach brother wight Shaka:

 

We sort of have no choice unless AD, Gabriel or TB switch out onto the wings out there. I mean Troy Brown is a decent defender actually, but medium build, more Kobe-sized and he's pretty raw on the offensive end.

 

Jae Crowder is an interesting name. I know everyone hates him here, but I felt the same way about Morris before we got him on the buyout.

He fills a strong need for us as a defender that is an ok shooter.

Apparently Phoenix want a playoff calibre player back? We have just your guy in Patrick Beverley! Or maybe they’d take Lonnie Walker and Nunn?

 

Yup. Both do so much more than shoot poorly from 3.

 

I actually think getting Walker back would be pretty fair. If we weren’t so stupid with our money, I bet we would be giving him a new deal this summer. He’s streaky, but there is no way PHX is getting back a player who doesn’t come with real flaws for a guy who’s near the end of his career and is ending things in bad terms with his current club.

 

Lonnie Walker and Damien Jones for Jae Crowder works. Throw in two 2nds and see if that works for them? We get the added benefit of getting off DJ's guaranteed next year.

Thinking about it, I don’t hate it. It makes our starting unit really, damn unlikeable:

DS / Pat Bev / Crowder / Lebron / AD

But it’s also full of competitors who are gonna take it to the other team. And I think that’s what our bubble team had in spades, we were mean. IF Bev can continue his recent shooting and Crowder can come back to what he was the last two seasons, we have two 3&D pieces to surround Lebron and AD with.

Off the bench we have Russ, Reaves, Nunn, Christie, Brown, Gabriel and Bryant.

Opinions?

 

No way CP3 would ever be okay with them trading for Pat Bev.

 

This is in line with the local chatter I mentioned the other day @abeer3.


I’m good with Rozier. Never liked Oubre much but we need wings so I could live with it.

I’d think we would want a future pick to take on Hayward.

 

can't believe i hadn't considered it. the bev/paul thing is real, imo, but if you're phx, bev is kind of mini-crowder, and i do think he's a win-now type player. crowder hasn't played, so it's found money.

i don't like giving up walker there, especially with outgoing draft compensation. i could be convinced, though.

still, bev for crowder and either biyombo or landale works under the cap and solves problems for us, imo. phx doesn't need both backup centers.

i think charlotte missed its chance to dump hayward on us for russ (if it ever existed outside of my mind). i would have traded russ for rozier/hayward straight up pre-season, but now i hang up the phone. this is why those teams shouldn't have played hardball with us. again, i don't know if charlotte did, just speaking more generally--feel like utah and SA missed some chances with us, too.

so if they want to talk rozier for bev/nunn/2nds, i'm down, but their chance to give me hayward has passed.

 

Nunn works instead of Walker (who I’d rather keep) but I’m not so sure they bite for Nunn and DJ. One 2nd to take on DJ and another as a sweetener for Crowder.

Pat Bev would be good too, but not sure about the whole CP3 thing. Either way, I’d try to figure it out, it’s less draft capital than trading for Bogdanovic. Not as much shooting but more defence and probably more getable?

 

I’m in the camp of liking the deal of taking on Rozier/Hayward/Plumlee in exchange for Westbrook/Beverly.

A deal like this wouldn’t cost the Lakers their picks. If anything, the Lakers should be the ones getting a pick or two for taking on the long term salary of Rozier and Hayward.

Rozier’s the type of point guard that would fit well beside AD/Lebron. He plays defense, can hit the open 3, and can be another shot creator.

The only knock on Hayward is his injuries. If he can stay healthy, his skill set would be a GREAT fit. He is a better overall player than Bogdanovic, in the sense that he’s a better defender and playmaker. On the Lakers he would only be required to play about 25-30 minutes a game and we could load manage him if it came down to it. Worst case scenario, he’s an expiring contract next season that we can package our picks with for a disgruntled all star lol.

Plumlee would actually be very similar to Thomas Bryant and can be good big man insurance as well, in case TB or AD get hurt.

A trade like this creates a lot of depth and versatility for the Lakers, the rotation would be:

Rozier/Schroder/Nunn
Walker/Reaves/Christie
Lebron/Hayward/Brown
AD/JTA/Gabriel
Plumlee/Bryant/Jones


If we want AD to play at the 5 in spurts, then we could go Rozier/Walker/Hayward/Lebron/AD. Teams will have to honour the 3 point line with that group, which allows Lebron and AD to do their thing.


The depth that can be added should help the Lakers be able to hold onto leads and manage both AD and Lebron’s playing time as well, which is basically what we got to do.

Lastly, there truly isn’t a better option out there. I hate the idea of just letting our expiring contracts expire and “reloading” next summer with $30 million in cap space. What are we truly going to do with that space that would be better?

 

And btw, I did not find that that article was praising Kuz at all, it clearly states that he's:

• A below-average isolation and pick-and-roll scorer, and that has largely been the case throughout his career

• In the playoffs he'll largely be used in a spot-up role that he's not exactly equipped for
  
  
• The aforementioned crap 3-point shooting. shot just over 33 percent in the five years since the first half of his rookie season
  
  Kyle draws interest for his size and athleticism. This league is fascinated with the large wing "tweener" with athleticism.

 

i think the article sounded like a distillation of all the kuz discourse for the past three years. he's good. he looks like a potential wing answer, but the teams that employ him aren't sure about that. i think he's a solid nba starting 3/backup 4. that's worth 20ish per. but he's not a third star, nor is he a creator on offense or a stopper on defense. so it's hard to peg his value across situations. he's worth more to some teams and less to others. and on a contender, you probably want him as an x-factor and not someone you have to rely on to carry water.

 

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