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  1. abeer3

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    no. the defense can come via trade and at various positions, imo.

    and i'd rather preserve assets than not solve problems using the only tools at our disposal.

    we're going to lose games incorporating new guys to the system, too, so they better be home runs, imo.
     
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    Also keep in mind the addition by subtraction. Ham will never cease starting Pat Bev while he's here. That's awful for our rotations and is negatively impacting guys that we hope to get back in terms of Reaves and Walker. Walker's game has been stifled with Bev in there with Schroder. We need to clean up the logjam of 4 redundant point guards who can't shoot. Imagine a starting lineup of Schroder, Reaves, Bogdonavic, Lebron and AD, to go along with a bench of Russ, Walker, Brown, Gabriel and Thomas Bryant. That's incredibly solid.
     
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    Good luck improving the team without using assets. You've got to give something up to get something. You use the tools at your disposal which are draft picks and expiring. I'm not willing to part with our young players personally.
     
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    i like that lineup and think it would be better than the current team. but we haven't even determined yet that the asking price for bogdanovic is what we're saying.

    supposedly, houston's asking for a first AND a good young player for gordon. what do you think det's asking for right now? not what they'll eventually get, but what they're asking.
     
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    young players have substantially less trade value than picks several years out, past when your stars will be viable. those are really valuable trade chips. nobody wants our youth on vet mins because they can't lock them up.
     
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    While we've tossed out some names, I'm actually pretty open to the player we add at this point.

    So while I do think we need to make some moves, I'm not fixated on one particular thing.
     
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    Most of us have been responding to Detroit's public ask, which is an unprotected first. There had already been reports that we offered a protected first for him. From all of the talk I think that our unprotected pick is the one they truly covet for obvious reasons given the other suitors. Again, I'm willing to send that with our two redundant and fairly useless guards on expiring contracts. I don't consider that an overpay for what we get out of the deal - a starting SF elite sniper on a good contract.

    You still keep one FRP in case any good deals come up for a Russ trade at the deadline, or to just hold onto if you let Russ expire in lieu of no such good deals. This takes the pressure off any home run/superstar type deals for one player with Russ which I just don't see happening at all. I don't even want Beal on his current salary and injury issues.
     
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    yeah, i'm on the fence about an unprotected pick, but i'm still not sure that's all detroit is asking for. that was shams' 2nd or 3rd hand speculation. i feel like some team would have ponied that up by now if that's all it was.
     
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    But that’s what I’m saying, let’s snatch him up if that’s the ask before anyone else does. If they demand even more then we can weigh that at the time. I’m just saying we have been reported to offer a protected first but not unprotected. Get it done Rob.
     
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    We would know if Detroit would do the deal for an unprotected by now, that's negotiations, "We'll give you a protected" "No, we want an unprotected + ?" Rob & Co apparently don't feel Bog moves the bar enough if it is only a protected (and not also one of our youths).
     
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    I'm hoping to see something more substantial done.

    Bogdanovic is a great fit, but doesnt solve all our problems.
     
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    This is a good point. A 40% shooter probably helps lower the chances of us being blown out due to bad shooting.

    I’d trade a lottery protected first for Bogdanovic.

    But I’d trade two unprotected firsts for OG. His perimeter defence changes us as a team. 4 of 5 positions would be good defensively: Schroeder / Reaves / OG / AD and Lebron would be the 5th. It’s a big dynamic change for us and would propel us to the most dangerous team in the west when healthy.
     
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    But he doesn’t have to. For Bev Nunn and one pick he can solve one or two problems - spacing and three point shooting (percentage and volume). Also fixes taking Pat Bev out of Ham’s hands which is drowning our starting lineup. Also you don’t have to only rely on Lebron pounding the ball and chucking threes and Russ turning the ball over to end games in the clutch. Imagine kicking out to Bogs instead. And if you foul him he’s an 88% free thrower. That’s a better option than Russ or Lebron too.
     
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    Anything more substantial and you’re basically punting the season away anywho. You’re not integrating 3-4 pieces in time. One yes. Give me a SF whether it’s Bog, OG or other.
     
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    He's such a good fit on his team, that's pretty obvious. The only downside is his age, but this dude can play. He is lights out shooter.
     
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    OG would be a dream for sure. I just don’t think we can pry him loose from Toronto. They haven’t given up the season. Sounds like they are trying to get a center, either Ayton or Turner. They are kind of buyers in a sense. They may end up sending out OG or Siakam to do so. But I highly doubt they want our trash expirings or even two firsts for OG. I just don’t see it.
     
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    You know Bev hasn’t been good to start the season, but he has found his shot and he is still decent defensively against guards. He isn’t this terrible thing weighing us down anymore. Nunn has also been ok off the bench. The addition by subtraction isn’t a good argument for me.

    In saying that I trade them both for an improvement at SF straight away. But I’m not desperate to make a bad trade.
     
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    I think you’re undervaluing our firsts. They’re lottery picks and maybe top 10s or better. We’re gonna be bad without Lebron and AD for a long time. What you do today is taking success from the future and bringing it into the present.

    By trading for OG, at least you’ll have one piece that will make it through that 25-27’ period. With Bogdanovic or these other trade packages there’s no youth coming through and they’re gonna be retired when our picks our due.
     
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    I’m not though. I just would rather improve the team now with Lebron and AD than hold on to picks for the future. Also I’m not saying we should move both picks. I’m saying to move one now and hold onto the other.
     
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