2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

Who assembled it as plan B after also, as he should have, trying to land Leonard as well? NO’s owner was undoubtedly still pissed after the attempted theft of AD mid season and Rob had to work with new GM Griffin to get past that and in the grand trade schemes we have seen since …. the deal was equitable to both teams. If he had tried to hardball and screw them further who knows how she would have further reacted out of spite. We HAD to get that deal done and then make the legitimate effort for Leonard.

 

As I said … in a vacuum without that kind of pressure.

 

I think there is a possibility that they would do it. Rozier is a good player, he is a player that fits, he is relatively young, his contract is reasonable, and it would only be one pick that we give up. Another thing we could do is take on more salary. MJ might go for that. Would you give them the first if we also get Washington back in the deal?

 

Rozier is the ideal point guard to put next to Lebron. Rozier would also be the ideal point guard to put next to Reaves, when Lebron retires. Reaves is a savvy enough of a young player to fit in as an off ball player in the meantime, while Lebron, Russ, and Dennis pretty much have the ball in there hands the majority of the time. Reaves excels as a shot creater though. Watch you all will see.

 

Yikes. Hells to the NO.

 

we've given up either 2024 OR 2025. so we can't move either of those or 2026. if we move 2027 and 2029, we only have this year's 2023 pick to trade (because you can't trade picks further than 7 years out). where are you reading different?

also, this all means you can't make in-season deals as all firsts can only be moved in and around the draft.

it's a myth that we'd have any firsts to trade if we moved the only ones available to move right now.

 

oh, and no gm is going to overrule their star players and get fired over it. especially one who won't be able to land another job if that were to happen. if jeanie had believed that rob was really able to override that decision with everything intact, he wouldn't have been extended. i'm tired of these phone jockeys acting like everyone else is stupid.

the counter narratives in the same conspiracy theory is hilarious, too. they're too stupid to understand how picks and protections and the luxury tax work, but they fooled lebron into signing an extension with their wily craftiness.

 

That's a very beautiful tale. Completely out of reality considering Lebron's career. He changed the whole roster mid-season when he was on the Cavs, for example. That's completely unprecedented, there's no one like him in regards to having a say in roster management. He's called LeGM for a reason.
But if you sleep better pretending Rob is the one to blame and if he leaves we will be fine, go for it. You're wrong. He's actually the first smart enough to use that as leverage and reducing Lebron's leverage since that trade. He put LeBron using all his behind the scenes influence, firing shots in his TV show or deleting tweets to force the FO to move because he lost that internal control. You should thank Rob, not hate him lol

 

it's like everyone forgot how the paul george situation played out.

 

yeah, i don't get it. if we fired rob, the next gm would have to be an even bigger patsy, right?

it can't be any clearer that his own job security played into the russ decision. and now he's taking heat from the same talking heads just for NOT making the same mistake and actually standing up to lebron (who is most definitely putting on the full court press to trade all the picks for blake griffin or something).

 

because rob would have traded for hield (against lebron's will), AD would have gotten hurt, and rob would have been blamed with lebron pointing to russ averaging another triple double for the 9th place wizards and saying that we could have had him.

i've already stated that jeanie's faith HAS to come from the fact that she knows rob didn't want the russ deal. she rectified the pressure he felt there by extending the contract and probably telling him privately to prioritize the long-term health of the franchise. that simple theory explains a helluva lot more than the complicated twitter stories.

and mitch wasn't worried about being dismissed for telling kobe no*. now that rob's not, he's telling lebron no. again, it's pretty simple from my standpoint.

*two reasons for this, btw. one was that we had a better organizational structure and the other was that mitch was a well-established gm and firmly part of gm network by that point. as we've seen, he got hired in the same role even after mozdeng. rob would not be hired anywhere else if he got fired for the hield trade.

 

it's the people rage tweeting that sound like cult members, bro.

 

your argument is bad, so you're switching to a different one. the process by which we hired rob (and magic) was stupid. i hated it and said so at the time--to GREAT RESISTANCE ON THIS VERY SITE!

that's separate from whether rob is at fault for the russ trade. he's not. it's clear as day. people trying to pin the russ trade on him just want a simple target for their anger.

edit: btw, you keep referring to me as a defender of rob as if i think he's proven to be great at his job. my contention is that his job hasn't been like other gm's jobs, so it's impossible to know, and that those claiming he's incompetent don't know, either. but that doesn't prevent them from forcefully stating their opinion. similar crowd and ethos to the fire vogel crowd, who all look f***ing brilliant today!

 

rob negotiated a different deal; this is the fact that proves my argument.

i'm not sure what you're gaining from the belief that rob is at the root of the lakers' problems. it's actually problematic because it lets the real driving force (poor management at the very top) off the hook.

in our current organizational structure, nobody would have been able to stop the russ trade. the good news is that it was so bad that it won't be repeated, despite anthony irwin REALLY wanting us to do that.

 

Only thing I’d change there @Weezy is that I think it is a complete organizational failure here that is the problem. (I think you touched on that though in at least one of these threads).

There’s so many cooks in the kitchen at this point that I just refer to everything as the front office.

There’s no real reason to believe the decision making process has changed. IMO. Jeannie has said numerous times she seeks advice from seemingly anyone. That just won’t work IMO.