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  1. SmoothOperator

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    I agree, at this point we might as well stockpile picks for the day we need to trade AD + multiple picks for Luka.

    I also fear exactly this… we are going to let Westbrook expire, and end up signing 33 year old Draymond Green for $30 mil/season and end up complaining that he shoots 25% from three.
     
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    First, ok, so we’re waiting for even further down the line pie in the sky scenarios instead of competing while we already have LeBron and AD, ok.. And second, I don’t know why I have to keep repeating this, but first round picks can be recouped. You trade for the Indiana package and it doesn’t work out after a year or two, Turner can be traded for a first on a new deal. You trade for Rozier and pieces, pretty sure you can get a first for him when there’s less years left on his deal. You are not stuck if you make a move, it’s a myth the FO has sold very well. We’d also have AD to trade for some picks, and be able to trade the picks we can’t trade now near or on those draft days.
     
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    That doesn't make sense. Teams get picks when they send talent and get lesser talent or take bad contracts which I don't imagine being the case with us if the goal is then to go after a superstar. Guys like Turner or Rozier and alike need to be there as complimentary pieces to superstars, not being sold to get picks to trade for a superstar and then have a bad roster.

    LeBron and AD haven't shown the health to justify that move you suggest. It is what it is. Since they're together, they have only won a playoff series in the bubble. Why would you mortgage five years of your future if your success is dependable on them and they haven't been able to play for a whole season? We should all be glad for the FO being mindful of it and trying to find better deals that makes us a better now and in the future. LeBron had no intention in competing for titles when he signed a multiple 50+ million/year contract until his 40.
     
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    It would be nice to get one of those stars, and it is feasible. With that being said, the better option in my opinion would be to still try to win now since you have Lebron. This is likely the direction the Lakers will go anyway, out of respect for Lebron/optics/pressure from Klutch/etc. I think many are underestimating the impact that Rozier would make with this team. The guy doesn't have the notoriety of a Lillard or Kyrie, but the skillset that makes Lillard and Kyrie great compliments to Lebron are there three-point shooting which is a skill that Terry possesses. Terry doesn't have the flashy ball handling of Kyrie, or the insanely deep range of Dame, but he is on par with the two I'm terms of three-point shooting volume, percentage, and is arguably better at both of them on terms of catch and shoot threes.
     
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    Agreed. There’s ways to bring in assets to mitigate the loss of picks.

    Well, a competent front office could do that. Not sure about ours.
     
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    the assumption that you can just recoup picks is faulty, imo. you're assuming the guys you bring in will be worth that. we shopped pau gasol for a year trying to get a single first rounder. he went on to be a productive nba player for three or four years after that! buddy hield would fetch a first never--unless you use his expiring to take on a terrible contract. myles turner is likely to sign a big contract and then go back to being a 12/7 guy who shoots 33% from three and gets hurt a lot.

    you have to be judicious with your picks when you have no other means of making upgrade trades. unless you REALLY want to be screwed for a very long period of time.

    again, had rob NOT been extended like so many wish, we'd have already made a very dangerous trade by now. we'd still be in 10th place, and we'd have no recourse in the coming years to escape it.

    hold firm. we suck. let's not suck in 2027. and if we do, let's not have indiana own that pick like NO owns this one. at least we got AD for that. for myles turner? nay.
     
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    I read the full Buha article and as usual, it’s a fluff piece. One line from the article stood out: “The Mavericks have loaded their roster with shooting to complement Doncic’s style of play.”

    The Mavs are currently 18-16 and wasting prime years of an MVP level player. Not sure I’d use them as a benchmark for success in roster building. Fact is, Lebron made his bed. I’m grateful for the 2020 title, but we all knew this was a likely ending to this chapter.

    Our FO sucks, but we’re in this deeper hole because Lebron and AD insisted on trading for Russ.
     
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    yeah, i'm not sure why it's so fun for reporters to go to great lengths to pin everything on the front office while ignoring that it's not the decisions themselves but how the decisions are made that led to all this.

    and yeah, at least we're only botching the golden years of a guy who's already well past his prime. the mavs are botching the prime years of a generational talent. oh sorry, i mean...surrounding him with the ideal complementary players. *sprains rolled eyes*
     
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    Well at least they are acknowledging that the previous moves were mistakes.
     
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    The fact is if AD played solidly for the past 2 years, 70-games a season at a rate like he has played for a part of this season or the bubble season, no one would be saying a thing about our roster because our record would be much better each season as we win around 70% when he plays like AD can. The fact is we got burned in the AD deal as much as I hate to say it. he is damaged goods. We were just getting our groove on with AD having played only 13 games or so at full stride and already we looked like we could play anybody. Beating contenders or at least having very tight games with contenders. Yeah it would be nice if we could have constructed a team deep enough to survive a loss of AD for a period and we wasted a year incorrectly using Westbrook (now that we know that) but the fact is we couldn't. Could we have done a better job signing vet mins, maybe. Truth is we made solid choices at the MLE (Walker) and Schroder, Bryant, good job and our scouts with Reaves in the draft as well as Max. But there wasn't a whole lot out there in that market. Obviously ther Westbrook signing (regardless of what he is contributing this year) was a mistake but there very well may have been star pressure on the FO to sign him. Lesson learned.
     
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    What’s hilarious is the guy that made those mistakes got a secret extension. Super smart to reward a mistake maker. Rob is a snake, can’t wait til the day he’s gone, though knowing Jeanie he won’t be until he’s as old as Mitch was.
     
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    Yeah. The extension was a signal to me that Jeannie is happy with the status quo. The organization will continue running as it has been this whole time - a million cooks in the kitchen. I don’t expect any decision making to improve
     
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    Well then, that’s only nine more years of Rob. Lucky us.
     
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    This is why my only hope is her someday realizing she needs to sell to a competent group.
    Jeanie won’t change the way she runs things, and this will be her downfall. A good leader is able to not only acknowledge his/her mistakes, but change the way they operate in order to stop repeating them.
     
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    the 3 yrs post chip team n what has transpired thus far, i think rob purely "lucked" out on that chip team that was assembled
     
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    He was fine the following year until AD and Bron started with the injuries. And those were s*** happens injuries.
     
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    Pretty much agree except the sentiment that we got burned in the AD trade. If the goal of team building is to build the deepest team, then we should never have made the AD trade. But, if the goal is to give the team the best shot at a championship (during LeBron's window), then the AD trade has proven to be the right decision.

    We gave up:
    Ingram: Very good player but has yet have any significant impact toward winning a ring
    Lonzo: more brittle than AD
    Josh Hart: nice role prayer, but no difference maker
    3 FRPs: ? / ? / ?

    We received: a top 3 Big when healthy and won a trophy tying us with the C Bags when many franchises have still never won even one.

    Now, if you said to me; you can keep that ring and trade AD today for that exact same package I might do it. But I would make that original trade every time. After the Gobert heist we might have to send a couple of additional picks the Pel's way.
     
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    Making the AD trade was a no brainer and obviously it worked out in the form of a Chip.
    However, I think AD will be quietly shopped this summer. I always felt like this season was the one for us to find out if he could take over the Franchise. Eventually, He balled out, until he got injured again. I would try and get a good young piece in return along with picks and filler. I just don’t trust his body holding up for the next two and a half seasons. I’m not interested in going through another two seasons of hope being crushed by disappointment.
    I wish the dude was more durable because he’s so fun to root for when he’s healthy and engaged.
     
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    That's true overall we got the chip so it was worth it. What I should have said is we got burned in the extension of AD's contract.

    Doing some hindsight GMing the ideal thing would have been to trade AD prior to the 2020-2021 season, while there was still full value obtainable. At that point, a KD or a Lilliard would have been possibilities.
     
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