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  1. Henry_Hart

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    They had Suns on the ropes in game 4 up 2-1 in the series prior to AD's injury. Obviously we don't know what would happen if AD didn't get hurt but I liked their chances.
     
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    Man, he has to play in the post on most occasions. It doesn't matter whether the position is called "power forward" or "center," those categories don't mean that much anbymore. He's a "big," he plays big. He's not a perimeter player. He has to set screens, finish under the basket, he'll bump into people. You are ignoring this completely. He simply gets injured often now, and misses many games. That's a fact, not something we need to even discuss too much.
     
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    Well I agree that there MAY still be worthwhile offers for AD right now if we actually started to explore. My main point is that I would NOT expect his value to drastically increase just by waiting until he can get healthy and prove himself (and that doing so would be a risky gamble, if the goal was indeed to trade him).

    The other aspect about this of waiting until the summer would be… it doesn’t matter what Lebron thinks at that point because maybe you just go ahead and trade him too lol

    But yeah, I don’t see that happening. I think we let Lebron play out his contract and continue trying to tool around Lebron/AD without giving up too many long term assets. I predict it doesn’t work out, Lebron leaves in free agency after his contract expires to play with his son, and THEN we finally look to trade AD and rebuild.

    I’m not sure I agree that front offices were actually that low on Zion last year. Sure some fans may have overreacted to the news about his weight, but I think front offices that were privy to the actual injury details would have pounced if he was available for trade.

    And again my main point is that I think it’s too risky of a gamble that AD can come back and stay healthy for a prolonged amount of time while playing as dominant as he has this past month. If anything we capitalize on the recency bias of teams seeing how AD can still be a top 5 player when healthy instead of waiting a year and risking that he doesn’t look the same (and then maybe getting hurt again).
     
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    Melo is done. This isn’t an argument. It’s fact.
     
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    Because AD was killing them, once he went down it was a wrap. That doesn't make that group of role players any better.
     
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    Interesting topic..agile defense minded bigs seem to get hurt a lot. AD, Turner, Embiid...maybe they aren't meant to be throwing thier bodies around like that. Joel has gotten smarter about it, he picks his battles more carefully now. He still misses games tho. There just aren't a lot of bigs today, that can score at a high clip and play elite D.

    Back to AD.Javale and Dwight did a lot of the banging and softening up on opposing bigs, then when teams went small, AD ate them up. I could be reading too much into it, but it sure seems like he's the only big that we have on the floor, every time he gets injured.
     
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    Ok..how about this trade idea?

    Nunn, Bev and two 2nd rd picks for Buddy Hield? I think we have three 2nd rd picks in this upcoming draft.
     
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    Then he has to adapt and play differently, or be smarter, or train differently... just do something about this, because I'd rather have him play more games, helping us get into the playoffs, then be a Hulk on both ends and risk a season-ending surgery. But yes, it's an interesting topic. This time he got hurt on offense by doing... well... nothing special. He bumped into Jokic a little bit. Which would have happened whether he played a 4, a 5 or a 1. And piling up injuries is only going to make it easier to get injured in the future. There's only so much abuse his body can take.

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    Giannis is an effective, two-way big man, who is even more agile than AD. Bumps into people at least as much if not more. Doesn't miss as many games, and when he's injured he heals relatively quickly. He came into the league after Davis and played, what... 50-60 games more already?

    Please don't get me wrong, AD is great, but this is really frustrating. He needs to get in the post in order to finish around the basket. That's his game. He tried moving away from the basket and it was a disaster. We can't get anywhere if he constantly gets injured like this. Even if we traded Bev+Nunn now, we can't get into the playoffs without AD.
     
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    I thought about Giannis, but Milwaukee covers him up a lot more. He avgs 32 min a game, but Brook Lopez avg 30 and Portis 26 min per to go along with that. Plus he's really more of a tall SF that can play some 4.
     
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    Giannis played 67% at the 4 last year, with the rest playing center. Only this year he gets to play 8-10% at the SF, which he hasn't played much at all since, like, 2017. But perhaps they are trying to protect him a bit, it's possible, and if so... we should do something similar with Davis. Otherwise, what's the point of having him at all?
     
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    Neither AD nor LeBron will be traded. This FO doesn’t have the balls to do it. They are happy making money right now- that’s all this is and will be until the LeBron and AD era is over.
     
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    Brook was hurt last season, but the way the Bucks use their bigs, is what I was hoping to see when Darvin got this job. The year that they won the chip, Brook and PJ played a lot, 29 min a piece in the playoffs, Portis 18 min. Lopez and Portis are both listed as C. We just play AD alone, entirely too much IMO , Lebron is not a PF.

    I have complained ever since we traded Javale so that we could sign Gasol, and let Dwight walk, that AD is not being properly supported. Even in the chip season, the other bigs only played 14-18 minutes a game. Bobby Portis has played more 5 for Milwaukee, than Javale and Dwight did for us.
     
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    giannis is also quite physical whens he driving into the paint, he doesn't get hurt, maybe his injury proness hasnt started yet
     
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    not even on jimmy butler lvl
     
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    he was going to continue to be injury prone regardless of his position
     
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    how are we wasting his prime? he's the one out there getting hurt in all kinds of ways, this current injury wasnt cause he was playing center, a simple tap to his feet and all of sudden we in season ending possibilities, thats absurd
     
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    If Giannis played as much as AD does as the only big on the court, he would be just as injury prone.
     
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    :Laugh::Laugh::Laugh::Laugh:

    :RW Barfbag:
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    He's not out there banging against opposing bigs much either every night. They have Lopez and Porter doing that. We have LeBron and he's not really about that life.
     
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    ad bangs in the paint?
     
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