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  1. Alcindor

    Alcindor - Lakers Starter -

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    We WOULD be a top 3-4 team in the West.

    If we were better.
     
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    They will be top 3-4 in the West before it's all said and done. You can take it serious or not, it has absolutely no effect on whether it happens or not. Moral victories...meh...it's also ingenuous to imply, that we are just going to lose to a bunch of inferior teams moving forward, based off of what? We started out losing 10 out of 12? The season is 82 games long, we didn't have significant injuries to Lebron and AD 2 years ago when we won a chip. It's not some given that it's going to happen now. I'd settle for 2 out of 4 years of good health luck with those two, we'd still be in the hunt for a chip. The team we just lost to was 17-19 on January 1 this year.
     
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  3. karacha

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    Maybe in 2034.
     
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    We shall see
     
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    Points well-taken, Slick. GSW leads the NBA in 3FG% (something like 41%: way higher than our highest guy), and they're a game under .500 and about to get worse, with Curry injured. Their D has really sucked this year. The C-Bags have Brogdon (#1 in NBA as of today); Horford (#5); Williams (#6), and Hauser (#17).

    A lot of us have been imploring Pelinka to nab us Myles Turner. Besides his presence on D, he's 18th in the league in 3FG% at 43%.
     
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    I would send out Bev Nunn Jones and one FRP for Turner or Bogdanovic (Weezy is going to kill me for that one, lol). Either guy is a huge upgrade for the roster IMO and honestly I think either one boosts our chances a great deal to get up to the playoffs- maybe even to top 3 in the West. That gives more time for a Russ move later. It also places a limit of only one pick max going out on the second deal (I.e. not trading for a star but rather multiple role players which I greatly prefer).

    Turner and Bojan are both shooting 40 plus percent from three and that’s our greatest weakness right now. Obviously Turner is a great two way player as well and younger so a better bet in terms of return. But I also love Bogdanovic’s fit here at the three, allowing us to start Dennis and either Walker or Reaves alongside him, Lebron and AD. I would go all in with the FRP on either of them and I think they would greatly improve the team.

    I’d also be up for the NY trade either straight up or us getting a pick of some kind back. Just getting rid of Bev and Nunn is addition by subtraction for me and to add a shooter in Fournier and wing in Reddish is great. I’d do the same with Kuzma, either straight up or us getting a pick but no way I’m spending one for him.
     
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    Just before Hayward went on injured reserves, his wife blasted the Hornets front office and training staff saying they made Hayward play knowing he had a fractured shoulder. So there’s muddy waters between Hayward and the front office.


    Assuming he’s healed up, he started the season playing very well and he fits a need on this Laker roster. Charlotte was also offering a lottery pick in the 2022 draft for anyone willing to take on Hayward’s long term contract.


    Now… if your the Lakers and Mitch Kupchak calls and offers you Hayward + a future first for our expiring (Nunn/Bev), do you take it?


    In this case, we would be the ones getting a pick while getting a decent player back.

    I think I do it and have Russ and suddenly 3 future lotto picks for any future deals.
     
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    Hayward makes 32 million for the next two seasons. No Bueno
     
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    i agree in general. i also agree with slick that some of our wounds have been self-inflicted and we might expect that they don't continue. AD will hit some FTs, lebron will stop chucking. russ will stop getting chances in crunch time.

    we're not a top 3-4 team, but we're not a bottom 3-4 team, either.

    for the reasons you stated, i don't see why indy makes a turner for bev/nunn/1st deal. at this point, that would require an AD-esque "i'm only signing in la, so you might as well get a first rounder out of it" statement. i don't think that's coming. turner knows indy can pay him a ton and he looks determined to secure that bag (good for him; though again, i'm REALLY worried he's doing this in a contract year only).

    bogdanovic is tougher for me. i'm still mad they messed with us then traded him for less than a 1st and now we're supposed to pony up a 1st. smart management by detroit, though. pump and dump. everybody wins. i see you, weaver. nice.

    washington isn't giving up kuzma without a 1st coming back, and some team (look for the damned clippers here) will do it. i'm out there. i like kuz and was one of his few defenders at the end here, but we've seen it and wanted to move on from it. he's a very similar player, imo, just has more room to play his game there.

    i'm still on fournier/reddish. i'd like to win the margins on that deal, but the principals work for me. people need to stop thinking of fournier as the answer at wing and instead think of him as a 15-20mpg scorer/floor-stretcher that lots of contending teams have employed. also think of him as next year's expiring contract to get next year's version of fournier. eating that year is the tax for getting a look at reddish. has he disappointed? oh hell yes. but there's serious ability there. you want to be the team that gets him when he figures it out. similar to stan, imo. and yes, that's underwhelming, but we sure could use a stan right now. and reddish has a little bit more upside even. moreover, even if they suck, so do bevs and nunn, so you lose nothing.
     
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    yes if he's healthy (as in no long term issues), he'd be a much better fit for us than Kuz

    also taking Rozier if we're talking about dealing Westbrook.
     
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    not possible for nunn/bev (their salaries aren't enough to match), but i'm listening to lots of charlotte offers.

    if hayward came with oubre, plumlee, and a 1st round pick, i'm packing russ's bags. have them take nunn and jones if we aren't using them in another trade, too.
     
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    he's not coming, but i love that nba players still think that getting here is the goal. we need to keep that alive.
     
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    not a problem if they give us a pick with him, we can deal him to someone else next year plus he'll be a big expiring.
     
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    boom. now we have the salary ballast and several picks. we get the next mitchell.
     
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    Valid point, my mistake - it would have to be Westbrook in the dea and Hayward + more salary coming back.

    Also like the idea that if it doesn’t work out with Hayward, we could use Hayward as an expiring contract next season too to see if we can pickup another pick somewhere…. Or have a Hayward + 3 FRP package in case a legit allstar caliber player is available.
     
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    Yeah abeer I think the Turner thing is very unlikely at this point. Even more reason to go for Bogdanovic.
     
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    Only for Russ, and yes -- he's a good fit. It would be Russ for Hayward + more pieces. I'd definitely listen to their front office.
     
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    Ah yeah, we're talking like 3 FRPs to take on damaged goods like Jordan's Wayward son.
     
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    when I get off the plane, I walk into a tunnel. No breeze.

    #tampering

    :Laugh:

    maybe that chartered life is just different.
     
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