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  1. abeer3

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    yeah, not sure about that, tbh. i don't think we're as bad as most on the forum do, but i think .500 is best case scenario now, and that may not be enough to get in.

    yeah, i'd have to look around and see what wings might be available. i just went with gordon because rob has a relationship with him, houston had no need for him, and he's an expiring. i'm sure some contenders would consider moving a 2nd for him, too--morey's trying to form houston + embiid in philly, for example.

    houston's probably trying to get a 1st for him, but i don't think that's happening unless houston takes on bad salary in the process. and maybe they do that.

    terrence ross and alec burks are obviously other names that have come up for similar reasons (vets, wings, shooters, expiring). none of these are exciting, but probably all of them provide better basketball value than bevs and/or nunn.

    i like kuz, but i don't think he'll be available, nor do i think we'd do it. it would be an awful look.

    i think this is possible, too. i don't like the idea of heading into the summer with cap space, tbh. i get why the FO might want that (it's primarily about the tax, let's be real), but i don't think that's the path to a better team next year.
     
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    I would be happy with this.
     
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    FrontOfJersey22 - Lakers All Star -

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    If Rozier, Oubre, and Plumlee are not that great, then why would our FO give up their coveted cap space this summer to bring them here? I really don’t see it. Yes, it would fill a lot of holes on paper, but everything this FO has said and done over the past few years points to Star Chasing.
    Also, you already know my view on chasing a third “star.” I too would much rather have a deep team with moveable assets.
     
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    The Fanspo trade machine has us only being able to take back $25.7 million in salary with that package, I think Trevor Lane was saying the same thing the other day too. Unless there's something I'm missing I think Russ would have to be involved in a DeRozan trade.
     
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    because the FA pool is shallow, and we only will have about 37 million to spend. as i've outlined before, we can't go star chasing in the summer because a) there are no FA stars (well, irving, i guess...) and b) we don't have enough to pay them anyway.

    rozier would probably be among the best available FAs were he a FA. and having oubre and plumlee's bird rights would allow us to operate over the cap and start replenishing mid-sized contracts.

    yeah, i think we'd have to add one more min guy (brown, JTA, or bryant). and then that's a 4 for 1 deal, which is pretty uncommon. guess a third team could nab a couple min guys and maybe pick up a second rounder for their trouble.

    i have doubts that something is lined up and ready to go on 12/15.
     
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    Again, it isn't rocket science.

    Lakers need wings and shooting....period. Something that should have been a priority last and this offseason and yet they continue to add to the roster with guys who aren't good at either, with the biggest of all being Westbrook.

    If they want to contend for a title, Westbrook has to go. Sure, he has been better with limited minutes and coming off the bench, but overall he still hurts us more than he helps us.

    Aside from the two stars having to remain healthy, AD has to continue to play at the level he has over the last 2 weeks for us to have ANY CHANCE.

    Then the focus has to be on trading for size and more importantly shooting on the wings, while trying not to derail our defensive ability.

    Beverley, mainly because of his salary and his woeful shooting this season has to go for any "other" significant upgrade in those two areas. Lakers will be losing a good defensive player, but he doesnt have the size to help us as much as one would like and the shooting has been dreadful.

    Nunn also looks like a shell of his old self before the injury and is the only other player besides RW and AB making any money that we can move, plus until lately his shooting has been underpar.

    Walker was a good signing and I was one of the few who liked it when it happened. He brings athleticism to a team badly in need of it and I also am ok with one of Brown/Gabriel being in that rotational 10- although I would prefer both of them being on the lower end of that depth chart instead of starting or being in the top 7.

    Reeves of course is solid and is basically our Caruso now...I just wish he would shoot more from outside...

    Schroeder is another square peg in a round hole signing, but I am ok with him getting what backup PG minutes there are without LBJ or Reeves on the floor...pencil him in at #10, one spot below Bryant, who I am perfectly fine with as the backup 5...

    So you have to deal RW, PB and Nunn...and fill the following spots: (I still hold out hope that Toscano-Anderson can get into the mix)

    1. PF/C Anthony Davis
    2. SF/PG LeBron James
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    4. SG Lonnie Walker V
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    6. G Austin Reeves
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    8. F/G Troy Brown Jr.
    9. C Thomas Bryant
    10. PG Dennis Schroeder
    11. F Wenyen Gabriel
    12. G Juan Tascano-Anderson

    3, 5 and 7- two of them need size and at least 2 of them need to be able to shoot from outside, one HAS to be a volume shooter....
     
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    I’ve mentioned a few times here but I think AD has to play C. For Lebron’s sake.

    We can’t have Lebron as our starting SF otherwise we’re just gonna get burned defensively when he can’t guard a player that gets around him and/or on the nights his shot isn’t falling he won’t be able to drive by them. I think these issues aren’t as bad at PF.

    So we have Lonnie Walker and Reaves at SG. We need a good SF. I don’t see who we’d get, but it should involve a 1st, Nunn and Bev. For the PG we have Schroeder, Reaves and Russ filling minutes. Lebron and Gabriel at PF and AD and Bryant at C.
     
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    i just don't see the big wing shooter/defender we need available for what we have to offer. there's actually not that many of them, so they're pretty highly prized.

    and i agree that both for lebron AND for ham's preferred offense, AD probably has to play center. i don't think it's optimal, but it is what it is for now.
     
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    Or simply add another defensive presence at 5 next to AD. Lebron is more than capable of pressing up on the perimeter and forcing guys off the 3 pt line. Just like the rest of our players, there is more than one way to defend in this league
     
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    We seem to be willing to make a whole lot of concessions to appease Lebron. We should be looking at what's best for Anthony IMO, and Lebron should be the one that needs to be doing the adjusting. He stands around watching too much at PF to me, he loses track of his man frequently and is slow to rotate. Leave him on the perimeter, press up on his man, and if a guy gets by him, he's running into two shot blockers.
     
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    I have to agree ...I don't know who this big wing folks keep pinning over is supposed to be. Lol..this big wing thing has morphed into " Kuz was a solid wing defender! " No the hell he was not!
     
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    I’d really like to revisit the Bogdanovic idea. Detroit doesn’t need him. How about Bev Nunn and a second? Worst case a first protected? I still think he fits great with this team. I would have pulled the trigger on the Utah proposed trade in fact. But I think we may have another shot at him.
     
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    i think det's game the whole time was to flip him for a first by signing him. we'll see what happens. not sure if i want to use one of my firsts that way, though.
     
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    Bogdanovic for a FRP? Meh....I wouldn't cry about Nunn and Jones for Oubre tho.

    If we can't get Turner, Bev and Jones for Oubre and Washington is a good deal too.
     
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    I would not use a first on Bogdanovic. If they didn’t have to why do we? I also agree with what Trevor Lane said in his latest video, he wouldn’t use first round picks on players at the end of their value. He said he’d trade picks for younger players that if we want can be flipped to get first round picks back later, but Bogdanovic at 33 about to turn 34 is not that. He said the same regarding the rumored packages with Conley, Gay, etc. You don’t trade firsts for guys like that. For Turner as an example yes, if he’s traded for and extended he can be traded again for a first on a long term deal. That’s why I don’t agree we are stuck for good if we make a move, make the right move and you can easily trade out of it should you want to.
     
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    That is reasonable, I didn't like the Bev trade but it's possible that he was acquired to be flipped later.
     
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    Don't need to do anything.

    Top 3 team in the west

    Westbrook is GOAT!
     
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    I get you guys about not using a first even protected for Bogdanovic. I’d do a second though with Bev and Nunn. I mean you get a premiere shooting wing on a controlled contract to play alongside AD and Lebron.

    Also anyone peep the Bleacher Report latest? Abeer3 Chicago idea is right there - DeRozan and Vuc for Russ and one pick maybe two theoretically. That would be phenomenal.
     
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    Westbrook ain't GOAT but we'll be top 3 in the West before January. As currently constructed too.
     
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    No, we won't.

    But I'll be sure to quote this.

    And just laugh at this post.
     
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