Kobe Bryant Discussion: Mamba Out!

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  1. tada

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    So who says Kobe at SF this year?
     
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    Depends on where we go in FA. Definitely a possibility now.
     
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    With having to use all our cap space on a big, he'll be to play SF. Little concerned about the games he'll miss cause Swaggy isn't the answer.
     
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    Go small small ball and start Ellington or Brown.
     
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    Or Randle... I think we have the personnel to matchup with other teams 3 spot, small or big. That's without free agency which is a nice feeling.
     
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    Will Kobe let go of the reins and let DAR work his "magic"?
     
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    Lets just pray to God Kobe stays healthy. He sees our future team, takes a paycut, we sign KD, BOOM, s*** just got real.
     
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    Still gonna say it. This isn't kobes last year with us. We'd be stupid not to try him at SF at times when we go small either by choice or to matchup with other team.. Just don't know how many.
     
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    Well he'll probably have to start at SF now with Russell. Unless we plan on moving Russell or Clarkson to the bench and getting two starting caliber players in FA. The problem is if we max out a big (which seems likely now) then we're unlikely to have the cash for another starting caliber player. Therefore: Kobe at the 3.
     
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    Then we'd offer the starting SF gig to someone like Young/Ed Davis did last year on a one year deal, maybe player option for second/third. That's if Kobe doesn't start at SF. New SF knows can come in, have a nice year and get exposure playing in LA and simply get paid after that. Could be us, could be with another team.

    But honestly can't rule out Young/A. Brown to start either if we go after a Gasoline/LMA/Love. What does deandres max look like?
     
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    Pft. Don't matter. We're getting KD next offseason any way. :giggle:
     
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    Just saw DeAndre's max starts right around 19 million. Maybe a little more maybe a little less. If you sign him while keeping everyone else we currently have (Kobe, Russell, Clarkson, Randle, Kelly, Young, Sacre, Black, Brown, Brown, Nance Jr.) That leaves you with about 2.5 million to spend plus various exceptions.

    Doc Brown is better at this than I am.
     
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    If we don't get Gasoline/Big LA I'm all in.
     
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    It's still the same 4.6 million in cap room left that it was with LMA instead of DJ.

    DAR (4.2)
    JC (845k) / Brown (845k)
    Kobe (25) / Young (5.2) / Brown (500k)
    Randle (3.1) / Kelly (1.7) / Nance (1)
    DJ (18.9) / Black (845k) / Sacre (1)

    I really don't see Sacre or Kelly coming back this season. That will open up 1 million more in cap space.

    On a side note - I was looking at the Spurs situation again and I don't know if Kawhi's QO number counts against the cap or his cap hold counts against the cap. I've been reading up on it and it seems like it's the latter, which is good news for us because it's 3 million dollars higher than his QO. That drops Duncan/Ginobili into splitting 12 million.
     
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    I thought the QO counted against the cap, but I'm not sure anymore. I have a hard time following all that.

    For D'Angelo according to this scale he starts at 4.2+ million, but he can sign for between 80-120% of that so I'm thinking his contract starts more like 5.04 because I think the Lakers will give him that extra 20% right off the bat... Also I want to try to use the worst case scenario. And I think I used 19.1 instead of 18.9 and that's a huge difference! Just kidding, but I still come out to 2.5 million... Are we using the same cap figure of 67.4 million? Oh well. Over my head.

    Any who, I think you also said that there'd be a room exception or the BAE available right? I think the team you just outlined with maybe a better backup PF and a solid veteran PG is suddenly a playoff team. Boom. Playoffs.
     
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    Lakers won't sign DAR until after free agents sign so his cap hold stays at 4.2. Just like Randle last year.
     
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    Brilliant. That's why you rock at this stuff.
     
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    let's just hope it doesn't stop him from playing in summer league like it did with Randle that one game last year.
     
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    Hey, Yo, Trevor! What is your buddy over there smoking..... must be some crazy stuff. You're never going to do the click bait thing, are you? [​IMG] (whether this makes any sense at all or not is entirely besides the point)

    Kobe Bryant...Off the Bench?
    By cvaidya @Chinmay_Vaidya on Jun 26, 2015, 5:10pm

    It sounds completely ridiculous. A franchise player and five-time NBA champion making $25 million coming off the bench. Kobe Bryant would never accept it and in what will be his 20th season with the Lakers, many would say he deserves to go out on his own terms. Kobe will see coming off the bench as blasphemous, as will Lakers fans.

    But consider this: Andre Iguodala and David Lee sacrificed starting roles and ended up winning a championship. I'm not saying for even a moment that the Lakers are going to be lifting the 2016 championship. Iguodala and Lee combined to make north of $27 million last season. They combined to play 45 minutes per game. Just one year ago, both were starters and combined for 65 minutes per game.

    Lee and Iguodala aren't franchise players. They aren't superstars. Their respective PERs last year say that they are average NBA players. However, they sacrificed a starting role for the benefit of the team.

    Now consider this: Kobe Bryant averaged 22.3 points, 5.6 assists and 5.7 rebounds per game. That's pretty good for a guy coming off injuries to the Achilles tendon and knee. Despite those fantastic numbers, Kobe's PER was 17.69, which is only two points above that of an average NBA player.

    The problem was efficiency. Bryant shot 37.3 percent from the field and 29.3 percent from three. That is by far his worst performance from the field and one of his worst efforts from three. Let's also take into account that Bryant only played 35 games and put in 34.5 minutes per game. His mind may be saying "I am a superstar", but his body is breaking down.

    The only con I can see from Bryant coming off the bench is Bryant getting pissed. Fans will complain about it for a while, but fans will always complain about something. Maybe Byron Scott doesn't want to draw up actual plays and prefers Kobe isolation shots. Maybe Bryant won't be able to mentor anybody from the bench because he'll actually be playing past January. I know, that was cold. The basic point is, Los Angeles can deal with an unhappy Bryant for one season.

    There are several pros to Bryant taking a lesser role and coming off the bench. The first is preservation. At 37 and coming off three consecutive injuries, it is unreasonable for Kobe Bryant to expect to play starter minutes for a full season. It is also unreasonable for fans to expect that. Off the bench, Bryant can still play between 20-25 minutes per game and last more than a third of the season. He will likely play better and help the Lakers second unit dramatically.

    The second is development. Unless Bryant suddenly decides that he should play small forward, the Lakers will have to bring either Jordan Clarkson or D'Angelo Russell off the bench. Do you sit the All-Rookie first teamer or the second overall pick that you spoke so highly of? It makes no sense to separate what many feel will be the starting backcourt in Los Angeles for the next decade. The Lakers aren't going to win a championship, so they might as well let Clarkson and Russell develop some chemistry together in the starting role.

    The third is performance. As brutal as the Western Conference is, it only takes one or two big moves to jump from worst to first. The Lakers are getting to look at Julius Randle and Russell for the first time. That alone will up the win total. Los Angeles will always be a free agent destination and the way rumors are going, the Lakers are going to land an impact player this offseason. The roster will look ready to compete for one of the lower playoff spots. The Lakers probably won't get it regardless of whether Bryant starts or comes on the bench, but they sure as hell won't get it if Bryant doesn't play at all.

    Everyone in the Lakers organization wants the best for Kobe Bryant. Maybe taking a lesser role is the answer.

    http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2015/6/26/8855155/kobe-bryant-off-the-bench
     
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    I see his point and it definitely makes sense, but no way in our lifetime does Kobe come off the bench.
     
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