Lakers Coaching Search Discussion: Going Ham?

posted similar #s and luka isnt some lock down defender himself...kidd deserves credit just like vogel deserved the firing

 

vogel's been a better coach than kidd throughout their respective careers. kidd's having a moment right now in dallas, but it's not any more impressive than what vogel did in indy.

 

I can’t comment on how much credit Kidd deserves, but my main takeaway is that fans (myself included) have almost zero ability to actually evaluate coaches. The discourse after Dallas hired Kidd was universally that it was a terrible move. Now they’re in the WCF and it’s not like their roster was that significantly overhauled.

At this rate, it wouldn’t even be that surprising to me if we ended up hiring Mark Jackson, resulting in a bunch of outrage only for him to end up actually being good for us. Or on the other hand, if we hired Ham and celebrated the move, only to end up actually hating him.

 

Armchair quarterbacking after the fact is always the best option for ultimate accuracy.

 

Windy on Get Up regarding Doc: Spoke to agents and other GMs and gets the feeling it's a negotiating stance with how quickly he announced their position. If Lakers want him, they'll have to call up Philly. Take his salary and offer up draft compensation.

 

he didn't have a ton of choices. with middleton out, the bucks had what, wes matthews, connaughton, and allen as their available wings? how many minutes can you play matthews at his age? bucks just had an allstar go out at a bad time, else they'd be brawling with miami for a return to the finals.

lol, my fear is that kidd's success will have us hiring jackson. they're similar, tbh. and maybe your'e right that we're all wrong about these guys, but i feel like fan sentiment has been pretty good on the coaching hires.

the big exception was probably walton. he wasn't my first choice, but i thought he'd be better than he was. but the mikes were the disasters many of us expected for the reasons many of us expected, and vogel was exactly what i think most expected.

 

lol morey. gtfo. you're firing him before next season is over.

 

kuz agrees with some of you.

 

Apparently the potential coaches are being asked how they would use Russ.

And on Doc

Again, anyone taking on Doc should be given two firsts and not giving up a damn thing. Please! Don't let us be dumb enough to entertain trading for the coaching version of Russ.

 

Doc isn't going anywhere.

Russ might be coming back.

 

The media wants Doc on the Lakers for the story lines. Kawhi and George return next season. They got Doc fired and his guy Lue, was their choice to replace him. Throw in the fact that Lue won a chip with Lebron and is a former Laker. Add the fact that Jerry West will be ultra motivated to kick some Laker a** this upcoming season..reports claimed that Kawhi backdoored Russ in order to lift PG13...that's a Hollywood blockbuster in the making. Let's just ignore the fact that Rivers blasted the Lakers for the way we dumped Frank, and said that he had no interest in this job. That's just a minor hiccup, because hey...Phil Jackson is the real shadow GM in LA, and damnit...he's kinda cool with Doc Rivers. SMH

 

Jason Kidd coaching defense. Maybe a little gimmicky to be so actively involved in guiding the defense, but I thought it was cool, and hearing from Mavs fans that they feel he’s done a great job getting the team to buy in defensively compared to last few years.



Kidd at 5:57 mark of this video asked “what’s been the difference for you in preparing you for this moment?”

“Frank Vogel, that’s an easy answer. Frank Vogel prepared me for this moment.”

 

I will repeat this again...dont be so sure that Russ gets moved at all. The media was hot on that angle too...at first. As we go through the offseason, I expect the narrative to change to well...maybe that isn't the slam dunk it was originally reported to be. The fascination with the potential drama will be too enticing to give up for some of these guys. The epic failure of Lebron, AD and Russ, along with the Lakers franchise, would be huge for the haters of all 4. On the flipside, if it all worked out, that's a hell of a Hollywood movie too. The King reaffirmed his place in the All Time greatest conversation, the Crown Prince returned to glory, the native son redeemed himself. The drama, the intrigue, the most storied Franchise in the NBA, Good lord if the C Bags somehow win the title? The hype will be tripled immediately after the Finals!!!

 

I think bringing in Stotts as a Head Coach or an Assistant we are automatically upgrading what we're doing offensively, IMO.

Yes, that's even with Russ on the roster. He is very creative, he can counter with adjustments, etc.

Frank just wasn't creative enough offensively. Didn't like how he used AD in particularly. A lot of sets just seemed very vanilla; there wasn't much creativity.

Now, defensively? Stotts isn't that good. Need a defensive mind on the staff. Clifford comes to mind.

 

If Westbrook is a Laker opening night, you can bring in Red Auerbach in his prime, it won't make a difference. Westbrook has to be a former Laker before the season starts. Pure and simple.

 

I hope this isn’t as bad as it sounds, but regardless I don’t think Rondo is ever going to be a head coach in this league.

Yes he has a great basketball mind and respect from other players, but he’s got too much crazy in him.

 

yeah, i actually harped on that a lot the past couple of years. it was fine the first year when AD was hitting threes (though still not optimal), but now that he's not, he needs to be used differently. and he can still put up an efficient 25ppg, no problem. that's on coaching and scheme.

that said, russ didn't help him.

 

yeah, i still think a trade prior to the season is more likely than not, but i'm starting to read the tea leaves that management is trying to leave options open. bring in a coach who can try one more time to maximize him, and that buys us the six months for his expiring contract value to reach full maturity. maybe it buys us some goodwill with would-be targets, too, as russ gets a chance to redeem himself instead of getting (rightfully, imo) scapegoated.