2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

Are y'all.watching this rozier disaster right now ?

 

I could see why the Lakers would do that. After the season that Monk had, and the way that he capped it off with that 41-point game, the Lakers may have increased their desire to shed enough salary to make the full MLE available to sign him. This trade alone would not work though, in terms of making room for Monk. The Lakers would also have to salary dump THT and Nunn. There are a handful of teams with a trade exception to absorb them. You could imagine that Charlotte is desperate to dump Haywood's contract (which is worse than Westbrook's ). I don't really see Oubre as much of a positive. I mean, he has some good size at the 3, but he is a mediocre shooter at best. So, Lakers should not have to give up draft picks in such a deal. In fact, they should try to obtain at least two second round picks from Charlotte, if not one first. Imo, Lakers should persue the Hayward/Rozier option, if available. At this point, I think Westbrook alone for Hayward/Rozier is fair, given Charlotte's desperation to move off of Haywood. If push comes to shove, I would ad an extra first round pick at the most. In this scenario, we end up over the apron anyway, but at least we get Rozier, who is a comparable player to Monk, only much more established. We also do not have to scramble to try and salary dump THT/Nunn, because doing so would still not open up enough salary for Monk. A third benefit is, we still have the tax-payer MLE at our disposal. I mean, I would hate to loose Monk, but this seems totally reasonable.

 

What happened?

 

Well Terry isn't a super star...he's a solid young player. It's one game. Ball was launching too may random 3's IMO.

 

welp - with how the hornets got bludgeoned in the play-in, that should grease the wheels on the Russ for Rozier/Hayward talks!

 

I can’t see how Rozier is a better player than even this version of Westbrook. Hayward is going to sit on the bench, and Oubre is junk. If we give up draft picks for that, we’re dealing unnecessary assets away.

 

Westbrook for the vet leadership

 

So giving Gordon 60 plus million for the next two seasons is the move? I wouldn't rush into that one. I like Terry but he's 6'1 avg 4 assists a game and is owed 95 million dollars over the next 4 seasons. It's not some kind of slam dunk.

 

Hawks were 26th in Defensive Rating this year and Rozier struggled a lot tonight

 

No draft picks, but everyone is better than Russ. I was in favor of the trade, but he’s trash. He’s what the French call le incompetente.

 

The Hayward contract is essentially like us doing a waive and stretch but for 30 mil a year and 3 years. He won't be of any use going into the playoffs because he won't play. How many seasons do you need to see a guy get injured before you realize he's a bust? One decent season in the past 5 and the rest horrible. 4 of the past 5 seasons he's played in 47% of all regular-season games. We will be paying for nothing for 3 years, it's Deng x6.

I'm anti-waiving and stretching Westbrook but that Hayward deal scares the hell out of me.

 

Saw this on twitter. Hmm

 

Again we are not getting anything other than imperfect player(s) for Russ. It's just a matter of who addresses needs on our roster and can actually fit in and help us.

Russ is an ego maniac who refuses to look in the mirror and is the only one (and maybe a couple on this board) who thinks his s*** doesn't stink. Wall would be the only player coming in with ego, every other package we've been linked to involves player(s) who know where they fit in the pecking order.

I don't know how anyone who watched Russ this year can complain about any package. Nearly anything is an upgrade. BUT we are getting flawed player(s). You can't trade a crater sized flaw for a diamond. Like I said, I think Wall is the only current trade we lose (Klutch, has played as much as Dirk, ego, role).

 

The thing is..the two best players on the the team and the GM don't seem to share this opinion on Russ. Frankly looking back on his career, there doesn't seem to be any former teammates or coaches of his that share it either. However the media and some of theses many "unnamed sources" and a lot of Lakers fans seem to be all on the same page. LOL.. We'd be stupid to run out and take on some bad contracts and injury prone players, plus maybe a draft pick, just to get rid of a guy with that kind of expiring deal. He can still play, he definitely wasn't the main problem with this season. I see we booted Frank rather unceremoniously, I'm not really sure the powers that be, are laying as much of the blame at his feet as the "experts " and some fans do. If he had played all season the way he finished, it wouldn't be as much noise surrounding him IMO.

Still...go out and get me a young big man and maybe another young wing for Russ and I'd be happy..Damn all this little guards and walking wounded wings talk.

 

Brogdon used to be a 50/40/90 player when he was with the Bucks. Seems like injuries derailed his career. He went from being one of the best shooters in the league to being one of the worst volume shooters.

Again both Brogdon and Hayward could be really nice pieces to have as a 3rd/4th guy IF they are healthy at least for the playoffs... which seems like a big if.

 

Russ is worth absolutely zero if the ball is not in his hands. At least Rozier can shoot relatively decent.

the Russ experiment has failed. We need to go back to the Lebron+AD+3&D guys formula if we are to stand a chance.

 

i love it. It makes sense for the most part for all teams involved. I can imagine in this trade scenario that the Pacers might need more draft compensation but the framework makes sense.

Hornets get a good starting center who can play defense and hit 3s, and a expiring contract while also offloading bad contracts in Rozier/Oubre/Hayward. Suddenly they have so much cap flexibility a year from now.

The Pacers have always had this weird fetish for Gordon Hayward so they finally get their man, a prospect in THT that can potentially rebuild as a piece alongside Halliburton. By taking on Gordon they put on hold having cap flexibility by a year since Hayward expires a year earlier than Brogdan… and they get picks which are gold for a rebuilding team.

It’s interesting for the Lakers because we would get both Rozier and Brogdan to hedge against each other. If Brogdan misses time because he’s injury prone, we have Rozier who is capable of starting. When we have Brogdan available, it keeps us from having Rozier play too many minutes that it becomes detrimental to the team because the guy does have some weaknesses that can be exposed…. And there’s also the possibility that Rozier and Brogdan end up both being the starting backcourt. Brogdan had the size to guard most SGs today. Lakers also get a young athletic wing in Oubre, plus a stretch 4/5 in PJ Washington. PJ in theory could start at center for us, so AD mentally feels happier he’s considered a 4. But PJ’s a pretty good perimeter threat to stretch the floor to either allow for cutting lanes to the basket or for AD to operate in the block.

…. if this trade somehow happens I actually have confidence the Lakers can be contenders next season (health being the big elephant in the room).

It makes it more manageable this time to fill out the roster with vet minimum players and a taxpayer MLE. I’m thinking for the vet minimum Markieff Morris, Hassan Whiteside (brings different element - big shotblocking center if we need it), Ricky Rubio (we might be able to get him for the minimum, he’s coming off ACL injury. If he can come back healthy and ends up playing like he was pre-injury, it’s amazing value for the minimum). If you can somehow convince Monk to return using the Taxpayer MLE, suddenly you have such depth in your roster:

Rozier/Nunn/Rubio
Brogdan/Monk/Reaves
Lebron/Oubre/Johnson
AD/Gabriel/Morris
Washington/Whiteside

…. Not to mention a pretty young team too. Only Lebron, Rubio, Morris and Whiteside would be over 30.

 

Let’s see how much CHA wants to jettison him by asking for a second round pick as well.