2015 Free Agent Discussion

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I really like the Deng, Watson, Thaddeus Young idea. That would be a rock solid off-season.

    Clarkson/Watson
    Bryant/Ellington/Brown
    Deng/Young/Anderson
    Randle/Young/Kelly
    Black/Okafor
     
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  2. LaVarBallsDad

    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    I forgot about Thad. What's he projecting to get this summer? $$$ wise?
     
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    He wants more than 12 million, but man I really don't think that's happening. I'm not sure who would pay him that much. Brooklyn says they'll pay to keep him though, so we'll see what happens.
     
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    He should feel guilty cashing a check for more than $10m. I think he could be an interesting fit, but for him that's as high as I go.
     
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    No Deng no deal! [​IMG]
     
  6. LTLakerFan

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    Me likee, that would be a solid lineup with lots of flexibility. I would love Justin Anderson at 27 based on that workout video and you guys saying he plays good D. Good NBA body already. Is he mocking now to maybe be available to us because of others moving up?
     
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    Centers Defensive PPP
    Possessions listed first, then PPP allowed (smaller is better)


    Post Up

    Tyson Chandler 174 0.68
    Al Jefferson 175 0.71
    Marc Gasol 186 0.74
    Greg Monroe 131 0.74
    Kendrick Perkins 76 0.76
    Jordan Hill 163 0.77
    Brook Lopez 185 0.79
    DeAndre Jordan 207 0.82
    Kosta Koufos 125 0.82
    Robin Lopez 134 0.83
    Brandon Wright 69 0.83
    Omer Asik 173 0.87
    Cole Aldrich 104 0.87
    Roy Hibbert 152 0.89
    Chris Kaman 114 0.91
    Ed Davis 92 0.91

    Roll Man

    Kosta Koufos 59 0.54
    Marc Gasol 90 0.68
    Omer Asik 51 0.69
    Cole Aldrich 40 0.77
    Tyson Chandler 60 0.83
    Brook Lopez 96 0.86
    Roy Hibbert 54 0.91
    Robin Lopez 62 0.92
    Greg Monroe 106 0.93
    DeAndre Jordan 105 0.94
    Ed Davis 64 0.95
    Kendrick Perkins 32 0.97
    Al Jefferson 96 1.07
    Jordan Hill 53 1.08
    Chris Kaman 53 1.13
    Brandon Wright 31 1.19

    Isolation

    Ed Davis 56 0.61
    Kosta Koufos 39 0.67
    Robin Lopez 58 0.69
    Brandon Wright 27 0.74
    Tyson Chandler 83 0.75
    Chris Kaman 41 0.78
    Omer Asik 77 0.81
    Roy Hibbert 63 0.86
    Marc Gasol 61 0.93
    Brook Lopez 57 0.93
    DeAndre Jordan 87 0.97
    Kendrick Perkins 42 1.00
    Al Jefferson 35 1.00
    Cole Aldrich 23 1.04
    Greg Monroe 43 1.09
    Jordan Hill 37 1.24

    Spot Up

    Roy Hibbert 78 0.81
    Jordan Hill 106 0.85
    Omer Asik 81 0.86
    DeAndre Jordan 199 0.87
    Robin Lopez 88 0.91
    Greg Monroe 153 0.93
    Marc Gasol 120 0.94
    Brook Lopez 123 0.97
    Brandon Wright 47 1.00
    Tyson Chandler 147 1.01
    Al Jefferson 65 1.01
    Cole Aldrich 51 1.06
    Kostas Koufos 57 1.07
    Kendrick Perkins 75 1.12
    Chris Kaman 69 1.13
    Ed Davis 169 1.15

    These were the metrics for Koufos. I'm thinking if you decided to add a Deng/Koufos into your starting lineup you addressed your 3 and 5 going into the season. You immediately improve your production at the 3; offensively and defensively. That add value and wins. Koufos adds a big with legit size who has good metrics defensively that I just posted. Your defense improves, Kousfos is much of a offensive threat, but he'll set screens, clean up on the offensive glass, and not be a complete liability.
     
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    i was on the koufos train pretty hard until we got the #2. I suppose if you draft Russell, picking up koufos makes a ton of sense, though. I'd be wary of spending heavy on the same spot where you just drafted a potential cornerstone piece.
     
  9. LaVarBallsDad

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    Yeah, others moving up. I think RHJ is the better defender, but I'll live with Anderson. If we could get Kobe to play 62-65 games efficiently, I think the team can scrape 40-41 wins...
     
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    I'd consider the cost. If he's too expensive, I wouldn't do it. Just an option. I'm much more inclined just to start Black at the 5. He's cheaper and guarded there surprisingly well last year. It gives us more flexibility to address other holes, can allow Okafor to develop and step into his role, etc. If we went that route, I'd want a more defensive minded PG. That's why I inserted Chalmers.
     
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    He's got a sweet shooter's stroke.
     
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    I like him. There's some potential there.
     
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    Okafor would feast against 2nd stringers initially and Black can also be our guy for the small ball teams as he can get out and run plus still is strong.
     
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    I agree. Black did well when he started in place of Dwight Howard last year in Houston. Black sets good screens, he rolls to the hoops, he has good hands, good finishing ability, and a very good vertical. What would help Black is developing a 15-17' foot jump shot. So, on pick in rolls with Kobe, Clarkson, or even Randle, he could pop out or roll to the hoop.

    Defensively, he challenges everything at the rim, uses his length well, and could move in space. I'd have no problem starting him at the beginning of the season. Then when the times comes, Okafor will take his job and Black could back him up.
     
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    Back to the Deng talk i see ;). How long it's been since we started entertaining this idea, 5-6 years? :D
     
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    I agree with your analysis on Black. He's going to be a huge asset for us next year.

    However I think Okafor starting for us would be beneficial because in regular season games it's alot more free-flowing in the 1st and 2nd quarters. It helps to get easy baskets early to help build momentum. That's where we really struggled last year... unable to score early and always in a uphill battle.

    Black would help when the defense needs to tighten things up later in the game. So I think Black may be better ending the game, though both players are awful FT shooters lol
     
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    You and I may want Okafor to start, but the FO thinks differently. How do I know? By their history. The last rookie I think that started was Magic. We know how long ago that was...
     
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    Yeah but we also haven't had a high draft pick in that same timeframe. None of our picks were NBA ready. Okafor is.

    You'd have a point if we brought in an experienced vet that played the same position as Okafor, like Boozer and Randle last year. But Black is in his 2nd year so the 'experience' argument is invalid in this case. We have to start the player with the bigger impact.
     
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    Black and Okafor going at it in practice for starting position should be epic.
     
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    Good. Tell that to Byron. :)
     

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