2015 Free Agent Discussion

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I was wondering if anyone caught that :D
     
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    Classic name drop!
     
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    Give up what kind of asset? 27th pick 34th pick? That's all I would offer for Chandler. If there's a guy that's going to give me better or similar statistical production for a less expensive deal, I'll take it.

    I wouldn't designate Carroll as a system player, but given the fact that we conceded that Byron will mainly run isolations, Carroll does get a lot of his production of a motion based system. Byron isn't going to run one. So, why give a guy $12 million dollars when I am possibly not going to get the same type of production with the efficiency to go with it? If push comes to shove, I'll pay Carroll, but I'll look at less expensive options to begin with to remain as flexible as possible.

    Yes, Afflalo might be that cheap, and a guy I'd seriously consider...
     
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    Avoid Bucher, Heisler.
     
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    Ok a few thoughts:

    1. Why on earthy is everyone so enamored with Tyson Chandler? He is an injury prone big, and at this point in his career, I wouldn't pay any more than $10M for him. I don't really like the idea of adding Tyson especially if we are drafting a big. We need to save our cap for a wing player. That's the whole point of drafting a big: you'll have a franchise big on a rookie deal for a number of years while the cap is expected to explode, now you have more $ to spend on other positions...and usually, wings are cheaper than bigs. Chandler will cost money and with his age and injuries, NO THANKS.
    2. LMA isn't coming here, nor do I want him here, because again, he's a big that's going to demand MAX money...and he doesn't make us contenders...if anything we become a borderline 8th seed...but I don't think we leapfrog 6 teams. If LMA is coming here, we might as well trade Randle...as trying to make him a 3 makes no sense. If anything, trade randle for the 5th, 6th or 7th pick (orlando and sac can use a 4, and the nuggets will need a replacement for Faried when they eventually trade him), and then draft either a guard or wing with that pick (plenty of players will be available....mudiay, winslow, payne, stan johnson, devin booker, etc).
    3. Marc Gasol ain't coming here. Nor do I want him, for the same reasons mentioned above.
    4. Love ain't comin here especially if Cavs lose in the finals...he will want to prove that he was the missing piece. But, I kinda HOPE he stays in Cleveland. Don't want him on our squad, and IF we got him, we better be trading Randle for the reasons mentioned above. But I woudl rather keep our young frontcourt on rookie deals...save that $ for a dominant wing.
    5. Basically, I don't think we are getting anybody big time this summer, nor do I think that should be our focus. Our focus should be on our young guys, and adding PIECES that can attract a big name FA in 2016 or 2017. If we do this right, we can be contending in 2-3 years. But we gotta be patient. Get guys on the rise. If you can nab a Middleton, Leonard, Harris, Draymond Green type of player? DO IT. But even guys like Demarre Carroll, Danny Green, etc...these guys are equally valuable for us going forward. We gotta be smart in our moves. Get the right guys...guys that fit, guys that make an impact, and guys with CHARACTER.
     
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    Carroll will also go get offensive rebounds and cut to the basket for easy looks. He's worth the money just like Danny Green would be. I'd rather have those two than Afflalo or Chandler and it's really not very close. I only look at Chandler or Afflalo once I've exhausted every other option.

    Whoever we sign will be here for at last four years. That's probably longer than Byron anyway.
     
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    Oh and you should only get a guy like Rondo if he comes for MLE. That's a low risk, high reward move. Definitely do not go after Dragic....way too much $ for a PG, and we have a budding PG in Clarkson already.
     
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    Again, I have no problem paying Green or Carroll. I'd love having them. However, if Afflalo is willing to come cheaper, I take that option. As far as the 'cuts,' we didn't cut a lot last year in our offense.
     
  9. therealdeal

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    Because he's a seasoned veteran who can help guide the young players forward. Just because we have a young team doesn't mean we should put the world on their shoulders right away. I was in favor of signing Boozer last year even with Randle for the same reason. We want these kids to be champs, but that doesn't mean throwing them in for 30 minutes a night right away. It's not a good strategy. Surrounding them with proven champions and high character players is a great way to baptize them in the NBA and get them on the right track. I agree on the contract amount, that's where I thought he'd be. Now that it seems he's likely to get more than that, I don't really care for getting him.

    I disagree pretty much completely with this part. Randle is definitely capable of playing the three for stretches. LaMarcus gives us a legitimate, proven scoring threat that's always a good thing. Starting both Randle and Okafor inside is going to result in a lot of growing pains and that means losses. Aldridge would give us proven play that helps give these kids time to grow.

    But I agree he's not coming here.
    I agree not coming here, I disagree with any of your above reasonings though!
    I think Love would be smart to opt out this summer and just go back to Cleveland again for a max deal. Sure he could get more next summer with the expanded cap, but he's incredibly injury prone. I'd go the safe route and take the money this summer. Go back to Cleveland where there's no competition and you could end up in the Finals for 5 years in a row.
    Agreed completely.
     
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    How much of that was just a bad team though? I think if you get a guy like Carroll who is smart, resourceful, and is always working hard the offense just looks better naturally.
     
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    We don't have the MLE, only a small room exception ($3M). If you're saying MLE type money ($6-7M), of course. Hell, $10M for Rondo is even a steal. Anything over that is a no go. And I would prefer the deal to be a 1 year+Player Option type deal.
     
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    I don't think Rondo is worth 10 million anymore and I doubt he finds that on the open market. Two different teams have had problems with his attitude now and his on-the-court play isn't good enough to warrant a malcontent.

    He'll probably get a deal in the 5-8 million range unless a bad team is willing to pay a lot more than that, but I doubt it.
     
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    I mean, if we can land Carroll and Rondo with the money with we have (say $13-14M and $8-9M, respectively), I think we do it. Yes, I also think we can distribute the money better to fill out the roster, but I also think somewhere he can turn it around.

    I understand the concern with his attitude and recent lack of effort, but it is what it is. He was on an elite team and then abandoned on all fronts. He's going to be understandably lacking motivation to really perform. Did it hurt his value? Definitely. However, I still think he's a talented player that can flourish playing alongside Kobe.

    I wouldn't be mad at a opening day lineup of

    Rondo
    Kobe
    Carroll
    Randle
    Okafor
     
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    I'll take Rondo...he'll ease my concerns about the offense. Very high IQ player.
     
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    I use to be very high on getting Rondo a year ago. That's all changed now.

    We're getting some great young talent, and I'm scared of him poisoning the well. We have money to spend the next two off seasons. I don't see a reason to take such a risk on a guy that has character issues.
     
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    I didn't want him at all months ago. I've changed my position. I'm more open to it. If he takes a 1-year deal at about $5-6 million bucks, I'd take a shot.
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:2014-15 stats: 9.3 points, 4.5 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 1.2 steals, 2.9 turnovers, 43.6 field goal percentage, 35.2 3-point percentage in 28.7 minutes per game (46 games with Mavs)

    OK, stop rolling your eyes.

    There is no mystery about whether Rajon Rondo will return to Dallas. It was apparent in February that his tenure with the Mavs would be temporary. It just ended even earlier than anyone anticipated when Rondo departed two games into the playoffs, with coach Rick Carlisle confirming then that there were no plans to attempt to re-sign the former All-Star point guard this summer.

    But the Mavs still could have business to do with Rondo. It could benefit them to have Rondo officially leave Dallas via a sign-and-trade deal, as is the case with shooting guard Monta Ellis and others.

    It’s not that the Mavs expect to get anything of value for Rondo. A foreign “prospect” would be fine. But Dallas would prefer to operate as an over-the-cap team if possible, as long as it can still maneuver to make significant roster upgrades. That’s because the Mavs would like to preserve the full midlevel exception ($5.46 million) instead of having the cap-room exception ($2.81 million).

    It’s complicated and probably unlikely for the Mavs to preserve that midlevel exception, but it’s worth a try. That’s one reason the Mavs were willing to go along with the silly story that Rondo left the team due to a back injury after his give-up Game 2 outing. (They also wanted to be able to do future business with agent Bill Duffy, whose list of clients includes free-agent shooting guard Danny Green.)

    It will be interesting to see what kind of market develops for Rondo after his disastrous Dallas stint. He definitely won’t get anything close to his desired max deal. He’s long been expected to join breakfast buddy Kobe Bryant, but who will the Los Angeles Lakers be bidding against?

    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-mavericks/post/_/id/4705333/mavs-bid-or-bye-rajon-rondo

    Do it, Mitch. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    I wouldn't take Rondo if he paid US $10 million.
     
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    Well, I have two choices. I could either watch Byron's offense crash and burn all season cursing obscene language at the television or I can take Rondo who might take that offense and actually make something decent out of it or he might be a cancer in the locker-room. I'll take the chance on Rondo.
     
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    Reason #1. Kobe. I believe Kobe will keep Rondo in check. So will Byron. His stats may not make the arguments for him, nor do the past few tumultuous years of mediocrity and mutiny. It was obvious Rajon didn't want to be in a Big 3-less Boston, nor did he just want to be another cog in Dallas' system. He wants to be contributing role on the team, and as a veteran presence to the young guys, with Kobe and Byron overseeing it, Rajon can be that guy.

    If Rondo turns out to be a mistake and doesn't perform as expected, bench his @#$ like we did Lin. Again, I'm only taking Rondo on a $5-8M 1 year+Player option type deal. If he pans out, he can get more money next year. If he doesn't he can leave if he wants to.
     

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