Trade Down To Obtain Player And Retain A To Top Pick?

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  1. southbaylakers72

    southbaylakers72 - Rookie -

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    Great analysis.
     
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    Sign Ellis, clark comes off the bench for either guard, young can backup the 2&3... I really like this team now. I really think its a fair trade between us and sac, then that clears further space for sac to trade for lawson, possibly farried.
     
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    To me, this is the way the Lakers should be thinking.. Not just "hey, we get a good draft pick & a good FA & then build from there"
    If you took the lineup you proposed... Then packaged Young with the 27 & 34... Lakers could pick up a couple solid veterans & still have $$ to fill out the roster... We have assets to get really creative & rebuild this team quickly.. It's just finding the right partners.
     
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    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    I like the idea of trading Young, a resigned Lin and the 27 to Denver (if D'Antoni ends up there) for Lawson. But as far as the second, Kings aren't giving up Cousins AND 6 for 2. That's criminal rape. We would have to add to the 2nd pick just to get Cousins. Lawson and Carroll added to Okafor, Randle, Kobe and Clarkson might be enough to get in the playoff hunt.
     
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    It's still tempting to think about trading down to teams like Sactown for Cousins or Detroit for Monroe, etc. Pick up a solid player from them + their pick that should still land us a solid SF like Winslow or Hezonja.. Then use the 27+34+Young to get a couple more solid assets.. We still have money on the books & a solid team.. All just speculation, but there are many options out there with the assets we have right now.

    Not sure we want all Rooks & Sophomores on this team.. Need to get creative to bring in some experience too.
     
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    NO with the 2nd pick ..... Okafor is going to be too good. My "eye test" has confirmed. [​IMG] Where's LGL when you need him? Oh bleep me, I didn't just say that. However he did go on and on and on and on and on about Clarkson from seeing him in Summer League. Great call.... props where due. Plus Jahlil is a much finer citizen. Boogie and Byron might kill each other if they don't see eye to eye. Which is not a stretch to think of as happening with Byron being a hard a**.
     
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    All Good LTL... I'm just doing some "what ifs" to kill time between now & the Draft...
    I'm totally stoked about the prospect of Jahlil as a Laker too. Just contemplating the possibilities with the draft picks & assets we have..

    Also, my "eye test" tells me that Winslow is a winner & deserves to go higher than the 6-8 that he's projected at.. We won't get him, but I'd be thrilled if we did.
     
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    Not interested in Lawson. Undersized, reached his peak, and isn't in tip-top shape. Not to mention he's a malcontent who strong-armed Shaw out of the Nuggets organization. I want no part of the Nuggets who all quit on Shaw and acted like juveniles in the process.

    The only asset from Denver I'm interested in is their pick. Other than that? No thank you.
     
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    I haven't been a fan of Lawson as a person since a few years back when he did some random "interview" for a YouTube channel before playing us and used a bunch of slang you'd normally hear from rappers while talking trash about how the lakers are done because Kobe is old and washed up. Lawson the player, however? The last complaint I'd have about him is that he peaked. We're talking about a guy that realized he needed to become more of a pure PG and worked on his game over the summer, resulting in him being 1 of the only PG's in the league that averaged over 10 APG for a stretch last season before the Nuggets imploded. I see Lawson the player as a guy who will work hard and modify his game however he needs to if it means winning.

    Also I definitely wouldn't say their pick is the only asset to be interested in. Nurkic looks like he could be a very good player. He has the type of toughness that's becoming all too rare from bigs in the league these days. On a good team with leaders with a winning mentality he's a much needed enforcer type. Not just another Thugget.
     
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    Well assuming we draft Okafor, I'm not sure we need Nurkic. Black, Randle, and Okafor or Towns is plenty young for our big rotation. We need some veteran leadership there.

    I just don't want any part of Lawson on this team. Locker room problems and undersized? Once his first step fades out in a year or two, where will that leave him? I'm just not interested in him. If we traded for him, I wouldn't shed a tear because I know he's talented enough to help us compete now, but I wouldn't make that trade.
     
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    Well, one of the reasons I'm interested is because his contract has only 2 years left. I'm looking at him as more of a placeholder, someone to fill out our salary cap until we can land a big fish. I'm not really considering him the pg that will lead our young core. I'm looking at him as someone who, along with Carroll or Harris, could get this team into playoff contention right now to give our young pups some experience. He comes off the books the same time Westbrook becomes a free agent.

    I do not think we are getting Durant. I DO think we have a shot at Westbrook. Lawson gets us into the playoffs and gives our guys experience for a couple years, then he comes off the books and we get a deluxe upgrade in Westbrook to start our reign of terror.
     
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    I get that, but I don't want our placeholders to be guys that might teach our young players bad habits. I want our placeholders to be guys like Boozer or Chandler that can teach them good work ethic and some veteran moves to keep up in the NBA. Lawson just seems like a bad apple to me with too many problems to want him here. If we made the move, fine but I'm not really rooting for it.

    I agree we're unlikely to get Durant, but I'm starting to be okay with that. I think the young cats we have now are enough to build around. We might not need another Kobe if we can keep this young core together. Randle/Okafor/Clarkson could be our Kobe. Obviously if we DO get Durant then that's amazing, I just don't think it's happening.

    This summer if we're looking at placeholders I'd rather go after a few older veteran wings. Afflalo could be a good fit. That's pretty much why I love Carroll this summer. Chandler is unabashedly one of my favorites. Mo Williams would be a great signing.
     
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    With all the talk about the front office prioritizing character, and our failed experiment with Dwight, I'm with @therealdeal and I cringe at the entire Nuggets roster. Only consummate professionals moving forward please. I'm starting to dislike the idea of getting Cousins too. And hell no to Rondo.
     
  14. therealdeal

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    Wow it's been a few weeks since I even thought about Rondo.

    Hopefully Mitch feels the same way.
     
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    I proposed this in the other thread but would you guys do 2nd pick for 3rd pick + Embiid?
     
  16. therealdeal

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    Hell no! He just had a setback on his foot after a full year. He was fully healthy for months, playing on it without issue, and now it's hurt again. That's two separate incidents without a single game played in the NBA.

    I officially have zero interest in Embiid.
     
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    ^^ Me, too. Too much risk there.
     
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    I have as much interest in Embiid as I do in Yao Ming.
     
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    ^ I wouldn't go that far, but I'd put him somewhere between Greg Oden and Brandon Roy.
     
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    I might go that far. They'd have to give me something to take Embiid at this point. I'm not giving them anything. I'm not even taking him for free.
     

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