WMC 20-21: Whine, Moan And Complain... You Know You Want To

exactamundo.

again. really hope the lesson was learned here, as it may have tanked our season almost as bad as the injuries did.

you ever hear kuz openly question coaching/management decisions until he made that comment the other day about marc needing to play more?

 

While I understand the point, there is a loooot of room between starting Drum and not playing Marc at all.

 

Clearly, to me anyway, it’s the same thing .... if Rob is or was catering to Dre hoping to convince him to work with the Lakers for a couple years on salary and stay .... then the feared optics of taking him out early and not giving him full complement of starter’s hours every game. The FO and Dre have to get past that and give FULL rein to Vogel to coach this team to the best of his and his staff’s ability. Only chance we got.

 

then who is Vogel catering to with Wes or Morris go multiple games without seeing the floor? with most recently Wes, if it had not been for Drummond being in foul trouble Marc wouldve probably gotten no pt again, Vogel just blows on offense has nothing to do with catering to people

 

Vogel being a defense first coach and having eyes to see Gasol's value out there .... I am willing to bet anything .... is not playing him hardly at all due to what I just said above. It's pretty common sense. IMO. And I said Vogel seems to be under direction from Rob catering to Drummond.

 

and wes n morris case?

 

I don't know. I can't read minds like you. But equating the difference in value on the floor between those two players and those who they share time with, is not on the same level as the intelligence and effectiveness differences with our defense and offense between when Gasol and Drummond are on the floor.

 

im not discussing value of player, you say Vogel is being scapegoated because of Rob promise to Drummond but Vogel shown to do same to morris/wes so is that Rob fault too?

 

I am though! He must have his reasons, like maybe Morris really struggling since his ankle injury, and being enamored of McLemore's shooting, temporarily, checking him out prior to the playoffs? You choose in your style to simply keep asking questions.

 

thats fine, to me Vogel is simply and incompetent offensive coach, he deserves and earned his cred as a Def coach but he simply seems clueless on the O side

 

F*** Solomon Hill, to be really really honest...

 

That guy needs to be hit with a bat, f***ing scrub

 

wes might be tied to mclemore (another useless/counterproductive signing)--you think a defensive coach plays mclemore any minutes at all voluntarily? that's clearly a klutch deal with rob.

also, we have caruso, kcp, and THT all needing minutes at sg.

morris, i don't know. honestly, he probably gets more minutes than he should, so i'm not sure it's relevant to this particular discussion?

well, except that would also mean that the entire staff has no good offensive ideas, right? when lebron's right, we score plenty. when he's not, we're in trouble. because we (intentionally) built a lebron team (no real pg, as it's redundant most of the time). when lebron AND schroder are out, we're going to really struggle to create good shots, which is why you see us going to AD in the mid-post or further out. but his drives are cut off because we have to play drummond and trez and clog up the paint. so our best offense right now ends up with iso AD jumpers, which he's not currently hitting.

anyway, not sure all that's vogel's fault.

 

Don't underestimate the fact Drummond is AD's friend ...

 

obviously the fact that bron got hurt sucks, but it really wasn't a dirty play or anything like that. just a loose ball they both went for and ended up colliding in a bad way

it wasn't like that POS scott williams falling onto malone's knee

 

yeah, lebron and AD's friends and agency are going to factor into things. sometimes it won't be great for us, but i guess we have to live with it, as those two and that agency are the reason we're not battling it out with the kings for 11th right now.

 

Sure we experienced it with Rondo too ... who delivered big time in the playoffs but was a pain in the a** for the majority of the regular season and for the PT of Caruso

At least he had a reputation of delivering in the postseason and brought others things to the table ...

Not sure what a player of the caliber of AD saw in his friend Drummond though

 

Im not as down on Drummond as others but I definitely think there’s validity to the thought that Vogel’s hands are tied as far as starting him.

 

I personally think there's room for 3 centers and I am fine with Drummong starting.

the reason why we got Drummond is because Gasol was performing below expectations. Nothing changed except that he's been playing less minutes, so giving us more quality minutes without getting gassed.

I think the correct answer is: if Drummond isn't performing in a particular game, just bring Gasol in.