Jordan Clarkson Discussion: Sky's the limit!

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  1. LakersN4

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    Yeah there's no way we get those 2 at 27 & 34 unless they get injured or something. Upshaw falling to 27 wouldn't be surprising given his issues, 1 really bad interview or incident could do it. But even then he'd get taken at 31. No team is passing up that potential on a non-guaranteed contract. Anderson is the player that makes this scenario very unlikely imo. I don't see us getting Anderson at all unless we can trade up into the low 20's, & trading up without giving up #27 is going to be really hard. Maybe if we take on some unwanted salary we can pull it off but I don't want to sacrifice cap space. Glad I'm not the 1 that has to make that decision.

    If we want to see an exciting young SF prospect join Clarkson & co. in the summer league, I think they'll have to come at 34, a purchased pick, or through FA.
     
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    The small forward has to come through free agency. There's a bunch of great young RFAs and a couple really solid UFAs.
     
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    An important thing when looking at the analytics of rookies is to be aware of their progression through the season. Just to use raw stats to make the point, Clarkson had a TS% of 49% prior to the all star break, but a 55% true shooting percentage after the all star break. Factor in that his minutes nearly doubled and he became the focus of defenses, and he still managed to drastically increase that, and you come to the conclusion that his entire season stats are going to slightly skew where he got to.

    FWIW, after the all star break, he had a higher true shooting percentage than DeMarcus Cousins. And Cousins was playing really well. Let that sink in. Quoting myself but just wanted to put the article in the right context.
     
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    Jordan Clarkson's 23rd birthday: Happy Birthday!!!.
     
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    Happy Birthday Jordan! May you continue to have a great career with us and your Lakers family
     
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    I think that's most likely what's gonna end up happening. We can't rule out the draft still though.

    Can we all agree we want Clark to start and you can IMO, argue has the right to do so at the 1/2? I don't wanna ruin or slow down his development even if we sign someone along the lines of Ellis.

    Ellis
    Clark
    Kobe
    Randle
    Okafor

    Now that'd be a fun team to watch this year while seeing what you truly have heading into following year with kobes salary off the books.
     
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    Ellis is interesting, but it forces Kobe into the 3 and our defense looks so, so bad. Ellis isn't a good defender, Kobe at this point is pretty bad, and Clarkson is alright but not great... Randle and Okafor have a hard time rim protecting. I like Ellis, I just don't know about how well he fits when it's all said and done.

    My preference is still DeMarre Carroll, Mo Williams, and Ed Davis. If we've got to move a couple cats out of here, I'm down with that.

    Trade Kelly/Sacre/#27 for #25 or something or even for a future pick.
    Buy another 2nd rounder; draft Jerell Martin and Robert Upshaw if he passes his physical. If he doesn't, then draft Dakari Johnson.
    Sign Price for the minimum and Ellington for the BAE.

    Clarkson/Williams/Price
    Bryant/Ellington/Brown
    Carroll/Young/Martin
    Randle/Black
    Okafor/Davis/Dakari Johnson
     
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    Ellis doesn't force Kobe anywhere. Kobe will be playing limited minutes & sitting back to backs. There will be plenty of minutes at PG & SG for Ellis.
     
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    You want to start Ellis at PG? Good luck with that. Dallas brought in an enigma like Rondo because Ellis isn't a PG.

    That means you either start him at SG or have him come off the bench behind Kobe.
     
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    I actually think you're both off. :D I think they would start Ellis at pg and Kobe at sg and Clarkson would come off the bench...that is until Kobe goes down for the season with an injury.

    But I don't think any of that happens because I don't think Ellis is coming here. There has been zero smoke or fire regarding him and the Lakers this offseason. I know Mitch can be sneaky, but I don't think he needs to be sneaky when courting an unrestricted free agent. With trades you need a certain level of secrecy. Not sure there's any reason to keep it a secret that you will contact an UFA when free agency hits.
     
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    It's a huge mistake to start Ellis at PG. He's not a PG. That's why they moved to bring in Rondo, a known head case, into a tight knit locker room.
     
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    I know it'd be a mistake, I was just kind of playing around with you two. I really don't want Ellis. I think Clarkson is pretty similar to Ellis to be honest. It might be overkill. I'm liking our young foundation. Randle, Clarkson, Black and probably Okafor are all gym rats that live and breathe basketball. I think the veterans we sign should be people like Carroll who are tireless workers.
     
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    Yeah I'm really growing to value the idea of making courtesy calls on the big names, then swinging big for the veterans. Unless we somehow get Marc Gasol or LaMarcus Aldridge, we've got to leave with at least one (preferably two) of: Carroll, Chandler, and Mo Williams. Rock solid veterans who can help grow our youngsters while contributing to a playoff run right now.
     
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    I was just saying if Mitch wanted to prepare in advance for kobes eventual departion. Just think we have to put the best 5 players on the floor, become better at scheming and adjustments to make up for it. I think at this stage of kobes career, he should gain 3-5 lbs of muscle and would be just fine guarding sfs or simply being placed in a nice zone spot he's comfortable in. I agree with y'all that Ellis is more of a SG but it depends on what system you're running and what you're asking him to do. He is a great ball handler though. So flip Ellis and Clark.

    At the end of day. Too much speculation, we could grab our starting SF of the future in the draft. I hope we do and it's Dekker. Only realistic scenario.
     
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    There's a lot of really good SF options in the draft actually. I don't know if they're starters/stars right away but there's Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Dekker, Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson (he could start for sure), Justin Anderson, Jarrell Martin, and even Luwawu who is a dark horse international type.

    I think this draft has the potential to be a really special one if you make the right picks. I don't know how many rookies I want this year, but if it's the right ones I'll take a bunch of them.

    Trading up to get Dekker is a stretch, but if we could find a way to get a pick in the teens I would probably take Hollis-Jefferson first. The kid is a BEAST defender. He really reminds me of Andre Iguodala.
     
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    I agree with your perspectives.

    How far do you think 27&34 gets us?

    On a side note, other than mo Williams, what y'all think about cole/dellavedova as our backup scrappy pg?
     
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    Is Dirty D. a free agent or restricted free agent? Ronnie Price on steroids on D.
     
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    He's an RFA, but good GAWD I hate him. I don't want that dirty piece of **** anywhere near my team. I never root for serious injury, but he comes closer every second I watch him play. I really want someone to body-slam his face into the court so hard it leaves a face imprint and maybe shatters his nose.
     
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    Dellavedova is peaking right now. Someone will overpay for his Finals performance. They will live to regret it.
     
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