2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. JSM

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    I also heard he's asking for a 1st round promise to keep his name in the draft or he might pull out.
     
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    sooo...am i the only one who's starting to eye-roll at all the "just want titles" talk from the soon-to-be rooks? i know it's the "right" thing to say, but...I'm just not buying it. not that i don't think they want that--everyone does. but that it's front and center on their mind right now? sounds like agents just coaching them for the press/team interviews.
     
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    They're getting paid rookie scale for the next 4 years, so I don't think they're necessarily lying.

    It's nice to spend the first year on a winning team since there is less pressure from fans for these kids to "save" their franchise.
     
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    I don't hold it against them. They're kids that aren't fully media trained yet, so occasionally they slip up & say something they weren't supposed to, but probably 90% of what we hear in these interviews was coached.
     
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    I'm not a huge advocate of building through the draft, and I still hope we make some major additions through FA and trades. But this GSW team that's about to win the title is a perfect example of how much of a difference 1 draft can make. In 2012 they took #7 Harrison Barnes, #30 Festus Ezeli, #35 Draymond Green. Obviously hoping the #2 is better than Barnes, but if we nail our other 2 picks in the same fashion GS did, we could be back in the finals before we know it.
     
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    I think the #2 will be "nailed." It just depends on to what degree. The thing that made that draft special for GS was the 35 pick which we may have "nailed" last year in Clarkson at 46. What makes this Warriors team so unique is their depth and versatility. Randle can be our Draymond. Physically he has all the tools. Our 27th pick is actually the key pick as to whether or not we take a massive leap into title contention within a couple years. It'd be nice if we could snag a 3 and D wing that is simply a poor man's Butler. I'm starting to like Vaughn as well as a shooter.
     
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    re: randle as draymond: it's important to note that draymond, as a ground-bound and slightly undersized player, is considered among the best defenders at his position. I think people have gone crazy about extreme quickness and leaping ability as the primary indicators of great defense from the 4 and 5 spot. but marc gasol and draymond green show us that there are other ways.

    ok, back to regular discussion...
     
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    well by the looks of it we already nailed our 2 picks last year in Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson. But yes, the Warriors did a phenomenal job drafting that year.
     
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    Draymond is one of the best versatile defenders in the league. He's super long-armed and has good enough speed/quickness to hang with smaller guys usually. Throw in the lack of skilled big men and he can usually defend them too.

    I'm not sure Randle will ever be Draymond which is a good thing because I think he could be much better than Draymond.
     
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    Randle only lacks the arm length. He's more athletic than Draymond and can jump higher. I think he can be better than Draymond as well. Draymond went from being underrated to maybe being a little overrated at this point. He is not very dynamic offensively. I'd take him in a second for the max this offseason. I was just trying to make the point that we may already have nailed a couple picks before we even start with this year's draft. I like Okafor better, but I admit Towns probably is the "transcendent" type player that could make us title contenders with no other major free agent signings. Towns/Randle/Clarkson is the trio that we may just need to add role players around. Okafor is safer, but we might still need to add that special player via free agency.
     
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    I disagree that Okafor can't be the transcendent guy. I really think he could be something tremendously exciting for us, but I'm completely biased when it comes to big men. I love post play and I think it makes the entire game easy. If you've got a guy who can score in the post, you've got a mismatch immediately and are forcing double teams immediately. It's so much easier than trying to break a guy down off the dribble.

    Towns to me projects more as the utility big man until he gets some meat on his hips. Again I think we could be picking between Garnett and Duncan of the next generation. That doesn't mean they'll live up to those guys, but they'll fill that type of role in the league: dominant PF/C types.

    I definitely agree that we've nailed the last draft. We're half way there already to having a great young cast which is exactly why I'd really like for us to target a couple older veteran types this summer. I want mentors who can split time with the younger, more dynamic kids.

    Oh and I would max Draymond in a heartbeat. He makes a lot of mistakes on the floor, but he's versatile, he loves his role, and he's a great great floor presence. He's the kind of guy that can get your team fired up.
     
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    I agree Okafor could be the guy, but if one were to be a top 5-6 player, I think it would be Towns. I think Okafor WILL be a top 20 player. But I think the chances of him becoming top 5-6 are not near as high as Towns. I would still take Okafor first though because Towns and Karlito could end up being nothing more than a deluxe version of Chandler. If Okafor ended up top 15, I think a team can win a title with a top 10-15 player as it's leader as long as you have a stellar supporting cast which with Randle and Clarkson already in the fold and possibly a nice 3 and D wing, it's a great start.
     
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    Thoughts on where Upshaw might fall
     
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    Rondae Hollis Jefferson. I remember @abeer3 first mention him in this thread. I want him. I totally forgot about him, and I don't think I even mentioned him once in the last 2 or so weeks; probably because he's not going to be there with one of our picks. Either way, he's the best defender (outside of WCS) that I saw last year. I'd take him in a heart beat.
     
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    I would still take him with our 34th pick now. If he happens to heal up he would be a home run with a 34th pick. If things dont pan out his contract his non guaranteed so no worries.
     
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    He might even fall to the point where we could buy a pick in the 40s-50s and grab him. By no means would I wish a heart condition on anyone, but if he ends up being OK and it lands him on a great franchise like ours, it could be a great feel good story.
     
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    Not so much wear and tear on your guards.
     
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    Yeah, there's no way I risk guaranteed money on him. In the 2nd, I play it by ear and don't use the 34th on him unless you know someone else before the mid 40s is going to grab him. Otherwise we can buy a late 2nd for a great low risk, high reward opportunity.
     
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