2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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    Well brain power in the sense that a) he's got an NBA future so there's a time and place for that and b) if the time and place HAD to be that first time in college... then why risk your future to do it again? That's simply not a smart move.

    I agree he's super duper talented. I think if he got into the right program he could be fantastic. Is that program LA? I'm not really sure... but unless he blew my socks off in the interview process I'd wait until the 2nd round to grab him.
     
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    One thing for Clarkson is his low body fat percentage and lean muscle mass shows off some fantastic core strength. Some of the acrobatic plays he makes are due to that strong core. He's learning to slow down/change gears which is huge. If Westbrook had learned that a few years ago his knees might be holding up better.
     
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    This kid looks like a little chunkers.
     
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    Alpha Kaba is simply one of the best names of all time.
     
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    This^

    ever since i first saw him play i said he was "too quick" if that makes any sense

    I told my boys if he learned to slow down and pace his game he woupd be a problem, and once he started getting consistent playing time he looked like he was more in control and has taken a big step ahead in his development. Definitely one of the best draft picks that mitch has made recently
     
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    Trevor Lacey
    6'3, 210# G
    Alabama (2 yrs), NC State (1)
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    JR: 5.7 Scoring, 2.9 Passing, 2.1 Hustle, 63 Offense (Wing)
    Career: 5.4 Scoring, 2.8 Passing, 2.2 Hustle, 58 Offense (Wing)
    -He probably doesn't have the ability to be a PG in the NBA. He's a solid three-point shooter. A pretty unremarkable Guard.
     
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    Dakari Johnson
    7', 255# C
    Kentucky (2 yrs)
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    Soph: 5.6 Scoring, 2.0 Passing, 3.7 Hustle, 86 Offense (Center)
    Career: 5.5 Scoring, 1.8 Passing, 3.7 Hustle, 84 Offense (Center)
    -Pretty awesome on the glass and as a paint protector. Upside seems low - like DJ Mbenga.
     
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    @ElginTheGreat, I tried to find one of your older posts regarding Russell and the more difficult competition he played so poorly against.I couldn't find that particular post. I had some extra time on my hands today, and I had a chance to look at him again, and I wanted to respond in more detail.

    It's a fair concern, but I think it's a bit overblown as you stated in the post I could find. Just as he struggled against Arizona, Wisconsin, & UNC, he had huge games against Indiana, Maryland, & VCU. IMO, he struggles when he tries to do too much.

    It's easy to use "skilled" and "fundamentally sound" synonymously, but Russell demonstrates the difference. He's very skilled, but he has some growing to do in terms of fundamentals. For example, when he drives to the hoop, he almost never puts on the brakes or dribbles through. If a defender cuts him off, which athletic players are more prone to do, he has a tendency to force the issue or jack up a floater, which is a low percentage shot.

    He's too reliant on his handle to get by a player, rather than technique. Steve Nash, if he's still around, would be ENORMOUSLY helpful to him. Jordan Clarkson talked about how he and Nash mainly worked on how to create separation from defenders. Nash never did that with athleticism, it was all with technique, and knowing when to pull what tool out of your toolbox. For example, Russell would be well served to incorporate a "hard stop" into his repertoire, where you start driving to the basket, plant your front foot to stop when you've gotten the defender heading in that direction, and then go up for the shot. It's similar to a pull up, but not exactly the same. Or simply keeping your dribble alive when you don't have a great look in the paint rather than forcing the issue. Nash was a master at that as well.

    The court vision is unteachable and the skill level is difficult to improve at this point, but the technique stuff is usually learned at this level for most of these guys, who have been able to create looks for themselves without a ton of technique up to this point.
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    "I tried to give him tips on creating space for himself,” Nash said of Clarkson. “If he creates space for himself, space will open up for him to pass the ball. Then the decisions will become clearer and easier to make.”
     
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    if dakari slimmed a bit, couldn't he become a nazr mohammed? I'd still take santa or the druggie, though.
     
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    A. I don't know that "Deron Williams" is high praise.
    B. You ain't Deron Williams.
     
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    Never forget.
     
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    Terran Petteway
    6'6 209# Wing
    Texas Tech (1 yr) and Nebraska (2)
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    SR: 6.0 Scoring, 2.6 Passing, 2.4 Hustle, 67 Offense (Wing)
    Career: 6.0 Scoring, 2.4 Passing, 2.4 Hustle, 63 Offense (Wing)
    -Hmmm...just an inefficent scorer. 41% FGs, 32% on 3pts. 227 turnovers to 159 assists in his career.

    Rayvonte Rice
    6'4 235# Guard
    Drake (2 yrs), Illinois (2)
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    SR: 6.3 Scoring, 2.4 Passing, 3.0 Hustle, 72 Offense (Wing)
    Career: 6.0 Scoring, 2.1 Passing, 3.0 Hustle, 64 Offense (Wing)
    -He looks like a beast physically, and his numbers are pretty impressive. Good rebounder and scorer. A bit like Tyreke Evans with less in the way of PG skills and more in the way of shooting.

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    Rakeem Christmas
    6'9" 250# Forward
    Syracuse (4 years)
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    SR: 6.2 Scoring, 2.0 Passing, 3.7 Hustle, 95 Offense (BIG)
    Career: 5.2 Scoring, 1.6 Passing, 3.8 Hustle, 79 Offense (BIG)
    -Apparently an undersized C by skillset. He can hit FTs, so he might develop a set shot. Good presence on D.
     
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    Robert Upshaw
    6'11" 255# Center
    Fresno State (1 yr) Washington (1)
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    SR: 5.8 Scoring, 1.3 Passing, 4.5 Hustle, 103 Offense (BIG)
    Career: 5.3 Scoring, 1.3 Passing, 4.2 Hustle, 87 Offense (BIG)
    -On offense - Kwame with better hands? On defense - could be a legendary shotblocker and rebounder.


    Hustle: I wanted to put Upshaw's Hustle stat into context. Most guys are under 3.00. Bigs typically score over 3.0; good ones 3.5. In the NBA, 4.0 is ridiculous.
    Upshaw 4.54
    Towns 4.08
    Jacksons 4.00
    Walker 3.84
    Okafor 3.76
    Johnson 3.74
     
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    Here's my updated list:

    Mudiay 90 PG
    Russell 82 PG
    Delon Wright 81 PG (he might be a wing)
    McConnell 80 PG
    Kenneth Speedy Smith 68 PG
    Pangos 67 PG

    Russell 81 Wing
    Hunter 75 Wing
    Rayvonte Rice 72 Wing
    Jones 69 Wing
    Wells 69 Wing
    Askia Booker 68 Wing (but he's probably a PG)
    Terran Petteway 67 Wing
    Winslow 65 Wing
    Trevor Lacey 63 WING
    Hollis-Jefferson 61 Wing
    Anthony Brown 59 Wing
    Anderson 58 Wing
    Pat Connaughton 50 Wing

    Towns 103 Big
    Upshaw 103 Big
    Okafor 100 Big
    Rakeem Christmas 95
    Walker 93 Big
    Charles Jackson 93 Big
    Dakari Johnson 86 BIG
    Tuttle 82 Big
    Stefan Nastic 77 Big
    Wood 74 Big
     
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