LABron James Discussion: Olympics MVP

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  1. sirronstuff

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    Nobody ever made flopping compilations of Kobe

    I'll save the rest of my opinions.

    However, I will say the brand of ball we are playing right now is more enjoyable with the ball moving around. I'm hoping it continues in the postseason. Lebron ball in the regular season was nothing short of horrible to watch. Everyone was so stagnant, and there was very little movement.

    I've watched very little this postseason, but this last game I caught about half of it. It was decent.
     
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    but like Kobe said, there may be no "I" in team but there is in WIN!!!
     
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    Well said. For years I had a James Hardenesque disdain for the man. Even midway to the end of his first season here. But the one thing that turned me was Kobe’s tragic passing. He seemed GENUINELY hurt. Both for himself and for us as fans and a franchise. The guy also seems like he’s all in on being a Laker. You can tell he’s proud to wear the P&G and wants to be mentioned alongside the Laker greats that have come before him. With that said, he’s one of us now, and I back him 100%.
     
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    I loved reading this today:

    "I know what my name comes with. And it comes with winning. I take that responsibility to the utmost [more] than anything. ...I understand the Laker faithful and what they felt or maybe were going through over the, I want to say the last decade, of not being in the postseason, not competing for championships or whatever the case may be. I took that responsibility as well."

    I'm so glad Lebron is here, that he understands the Lakers place in history and what we expect from our stars. He's delivering in the biggest way. Getting AD here, getting to the top spot in the West during the regular season, taking care of business in the first two rounds making each a 5 game series with 4 straight wins both times, and now advancing to the Western Conference Finals. Feels so good to be back!!!
     
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    Tough crowd of pretty much one though. What we have been doing on offense with AD at the 5 has been night and day different and a total blast to watch with Rondo helping quarterback. And the continuing amazing, suffocating defense by everyone, LBJ certainly included. Just sayin'.

    :Beertoast2:
     
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    Don't like the guy sometimes but damn. Gotta tip my hat for this

     
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    Kellerman is a Leonard jocker even going as far as saying he is more clutch than 24. Should stick to boxing. At least he sounds credible.
     
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    Maybe Cavs and Miami fans might tell me otherwise, but I feel LeBron is really a Laker guy. He has grown on me because he has embraced this city and this team, and wants to take it back to the promised lands. He has won me over even more since the tragic Kobe death, but the change was even before that.

    I think the first season didn't go too well for either party. LeBron probably thought he deserved adoration because his standing in the game, and because he chose to be here when we were so dysfunctional that we couldn't even sign LMA. Alternative, our fan base was also sceptical that he was here because of Hollywood, and to prepare for life after NBA. LeBron is definitely a winner, but he has since come to grasp better than a year ago that, while yes we are lucky you came here (and got us AD), we are still a team that is title or bust, and even if you are on Mount Rushmore, there are so many other big names who have won AS LAKERS.

    I have always rated and respected LeBron. There were probably only two times I did not like him. I thought he got premature love over from the media before it was his time, and when Kobe was still winning rings. But then he went to the other extreme and formed a superteam to fast track his success to break past those barriers. But then, I also can't help but think he has overcome a lot as well. His upbringing before basketball is already well documented so I won't go there. But he got drafted to a small market franchise that took him for granted and never gave him a chance in hell (plus it was his local team so locals thought they owned him and treated him like dirt for leaving). He got hammered over the Decision and losing to the Mavericks, and he came back so amazingly after it. He got karma times ten with the Warriors making an even greater superteam than LeBron could. In fact, he's had to go up against a lot of stacked teams full of superstars in Oakland, San Antonio and Boston.

    Anyway, much love Bron. I hope you bring us at least one more Chip, which is like double knowing it means The Flippers aren't getting a hold of it :p
     
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    Interesting, I was just thinking this team reminds me of the ‘09 squad last night. Media and other players saying we’ve gotten an “easier” road so far same as that year as we didn’t have to face the C Bags again and the Cavs got knocked out by Orlando. AD very much reminds me of Pau coming here as well, don’t want to get ahead of myself, but if we remain healthy I genuinely feel and have felt since the bubble started back up that we are going to win the title. Just feels like one of those years, it’s our time, the guys look focused and on a mission, some for legacy, seemingly all for Kobe, I think they’re gonna do it.
     
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    Yeah how typical. After telling us all season LeBron is not the King, now they will create this narrative that he had an easy draw in the Bubble and avoided The Flippers (who they simultaneously told us didn't want to be there).
     
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    Yeah apparently Lillard was super injured before he finally sat, in his finger or something, and losing Danuel House was a devastating blow to Houston as he is a star now. Oh and the Clippers having Lou not wanting to be in the bubble was what did them in, nevermind that one of our best players in Bradley actually didn’t GO to the bubble at all. No big deal we had to overcome that with Waiters and Smith though. [​IMG]
     
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    I think I only have a better idea of who Danuel House is thanks to Skip Bayless :)
     
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    Any notion this would be a diminished title because of the bubble is nonsense. Playing in the bubble is actually more difficult and more of a disadvantage for the top teams. You lose the home court advantage you fought for all season, and assuming you make a deep playoff run, you're away from your family and living in a hotel room for longer. To say nothing of all the relevant teams being there, and everyone competing like it matters. If playing in the bubble somehow made it easier for certain teams, then what stopped the Clippers from making the conference finals? Why couldn't Milwaukee make the finals?
     
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    Because we locked up the top seed so early, we also could not manipulate the playoffs draw to get an easier draw (at least an easier draw on paper).

    To me, there are two teams who have looked like they have been in the bubble for business all along, and that is the Lakers and the Heat. We know we are title or bust, and LeBron and AD have the entire squad with them. The Heat didn't give a damn what anybody thought about them, and Jimmy Butler said as much to Rachel Nicholls a few weeks back when he was talking about winning a championship. I am not too surprised about the Heat. It starts at the top, and Pat Riley is the most competitive person in the NBA and arguably always has been.

    I give an honourable mention to the Denver Nuggets as a team that really doesn't want to let go of the bubble when it is nearly time to leave.
     
  17. lakerjones

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    Solid article from Ramona re: Lebron and Jeannie meeting that cemented everything last year.

    How LeBron James and Jeanie Buss squashed Lakers drama


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      Ramona ShelburneESPN Senior Writer :
      THE NINE MONTHS it took to schedule a dinner between Los Angeles Lakers owner Jeanie Buss and the franchise's newest superstar, LeBron James, really wasn't that long by Los Angeles standards. James lives in Beverly Hills; Buss lives in Playa Vista. Busy people, L.A. traffic, intense jobs -- nine months is actually pretty good.

      When their schedules finally aligned, on an off night in early March 2019, it wasn't exactly an ideal time for either. James and the Lakers had just lost five in a row, the fifth being a particularly galling 120-107 loss to the Kyrie Irving-led Boston C Bags at Staples Center. The groin injury that had bothered James since Christmas Day wasn't getting any better. And the team was about to head out on a five-game East Coast road trip.


      But James wasn't canceling this dinner. He'd been wanting to spend time with the woman who ran the Lakers since he'd chosen to sign with the franchise the previous summer, and he had something important to tell her.

      "We understand that things happen. We're not pointing the finger at anybody, and we're going to stay down with you," James' agent Rich Paul, who attended the dinner along with James and Lakers executive Linda Rambis, recalled to ESPN. "We're committed to you and we'll come out of this on top. We'll come out of this different than what the world sees. Let the people who talk, talk. We just gotta do the work."

      The message was clear: There might be drama engulfing the Lakers, but James wouldn't be adding to it. They were in this together.

      James told Buss he'd long been an admirer of her late father, Dr. Jerry Buss, and how he ran the NBA's glamour franchise. He was displaying an understanding and appreciation for Lakers history that both surprised and touched Buss, according to a close associate of hers.

      "It was very genuine," Paul said.

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    And it was completely different than the relationships James forged with the two previous owners he'd played for. Powerful as he is, James had historically preferred to let Paul or others from his business team deal directly with ownership. He was cordial with Miami owner Micky Arison and chilly or professional with Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert, but there was never a huge personal investment in his relationships with owners. That served two purposes, both of which added to James' power: No one went directly to James, and personal affection would never affect his decision-making.

    Paul doesn't even believe James had ever formally dined with Arison or Gilbert. All of which made his dinner with Buss at Wally's Beverly Hills especially significant.

    Buss knew James' history, but she'd also prided herself on developing strong relationships with all the players who played for her franchise, just as her father had. Meeting with a star player for dinner was natural for her leadership style.

    It was an awkward time for Buss as well. Landing James as a free agent was supposed to turn the Lakers back into a contender. But he'd been hurt for large portions of the season, the roster was flawed as then-president of basketball operations Magic Johnson had prioritized playmaking over shooting, trade negotiations for New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davishad gone awry, and there was lingering tension among Johnson, then-coach Luke Walton and general manager Rob Pelinka.

    But she wasn't canceling on James either. If the Lakers were going to regain their standing in the NBA, not only making it back to the playoffs but also contending for titles year in and year out as they had for three decades under her father's ownership, Jeanie Buss and James were going to have to figure it out.

    Both of their legacies were at stake.

    WHEN JAMES AND BUSS got to talking that night at Wally's, it became clear the drama swirling around the Lakers and James needed to stop.

    They needed stability, not more sensational stories. Easier said than done, of course. But as the Lakers enter the Western Conference finals this week for the first time since 2010, it's hard to find a team with less drama or controversy emanating from within.

    Their two superstars, James and Davis, are close friends whose egos show no signs of clashing. Their coach, Frank Vogel, hasn't once had to look over his shoulder at assistant coach Jason Kidd.
    Risks taken on volatile personalities such as Dwight Howard, Dion Waiters and JR Smith have paid off, or at least, haven't hurt them. Even the oft-maligned front office has run smoothly, as general manager Rob Pelinka is now largely accepted, and special assistant Kurt Rambis has become important connective tissue.

    To understand how a franchise that made all the wrong kinds of headlines last season has turned into this, you have to go back to the connection and pledge James and Buss made to each other in March 2019.

    Bad things might happen -- and so many did -- but they were in this together.

    On May 2, Buss and Linda Rambis were back at Wally's, this time with Johnson, who had hastily stepped down as president of basketball operations before the Lakers' final home game and had insinuated there was "backstabbing" going on within the organization.

    The three had been friends for more than 40 years, and so the question was put directly to Johnson: Who was backstabbing? If there was anything he needed to say, or that Buss should know, please say it now in this private dining room.

    Johnson assured Buss all was well, and each posted photos of their night on social media. But a few weeks later, during a devastating appearance on ESPN's First Take, Johnson aired his grievances with Pelinka and business operations president Tim Harris.

    The interview aired the same day Vogel was scheduled to be introduced at a news conference. Buss watched from her office, high above the court at the team's training center. In the corner of the gym stood James, wearing a neon orange, pink, blue and green hat turned backward. He did not take questions, but his presence spoke volumes. He was doing exactly what he'd promised Buss.

    "That press conference was very important," a confidant of Buss' said. "Everyone took one look at how Frank Vogel handled it and [LeBron] being there, and it really showed a new tone was going to be set.

    "Stay calm. Stay centered. Stay focused. Those were the watchwords throughout the organization."

    Friends and league associates implored Buss to look outside the organization for a new basketball mind to replace Johnson. Recruit an accomplished executive like Golden State's Bob Myers, Oklahoma City's Sam Presti, Houston's Daryl Morey or Portland's Neil Olshey. The criticism of Pelinka was withering. But none of it was coming from James.

    A few weeks later, after Pelinka successfully traded for Davis, James showed up in support much the same way he had for Vogel: standing off to the side but taking no questions.

    When the team reconvened for training camp, he explained himself this way.

    "I'm very motivated," James said. "But I'm right now not in the talking-about-it mode. I've been very quiet this summer for a reason. My mother always told me, 'Don't talk about it, be about it.' So that's where I'm at."

    Kyle Kuzma, constant injuries to starting guard Rajon Rondo. The NBA shutting down for four months when COVID-19 spread across the world. Calls to boycott the rest of the season in support of social justice movements.

    Any of these massive international and internal events could have thrown the Lakers into disarray. Instead, the way the team has dealt with them seems to have made it stronger.

    There's a reason Buss and James tried so hard to make that dinner happen on that off night in March 2019: They needed each other.

    "I know what my name, my stature and what I've done in this league comes with whenever I decide to join a franchise," James said last week after the Lakers closed out the Houston Rockets in their second-round playoff series. "I know what my name comes with. And it comes with winning. I take that responsibility to the utmost [more] than anything. ...

    "I understand the Laker faithful and what they felt or maybe were going through over the, I want to say the last decade, of not being in the postseason, not competing for championships or whatever the case may be. I took that responsibility as well."
     
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    You know what... he has been awesome. In all regards. So... no complaints from me.
     
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    What i get from all this is... it's nice to have powerful friends (looking at you Linda and Kurt) :D
    On a serious note, James is perfect for us and Jeanie is perfect for James. I don't think there's an owner, who takes care of his guys as much as Jeanie do, not even Cuban. She's like a mom, i would love to play for a person like that. If we can get some shooters and a decent PG, Bron can play and avg. 20 and 10 till his 40's :)
     
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    Great article. Ramona must be back in reasonably good graces. Two quick thoughts. 1st regarding "backstabbing" ..... pot meet kettle as we .... well most of us, save for a party of one, all thought about what Magic did. Repeatedly. Here Jeanie and Linda meet with him privately to air out what he was apparently upset with and he doesn't say bleep to them after 40 year relationship. Then the day of Vogel's presser HE stabs them and the franchise again in the back. 1st was the sudden unannounced to them in private quitting the front office before the last or one of the last games of the season in the freaking tunnel. Will always think less of him for that period of time and repeated sabotoge like things he did for spite. No other way of looking at it IMO.

    And I want to read this article which was imbedded.

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28485296/how-frank-vogel-won-lakers-their-superstars
     

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