NBA Season Part 2: Life In The Orlando Bubble

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    i agree that they have one of the highest platforms available to take action against these issues

    but look at what happened to the NFL players who "did it peacefully." they got called sons of b*tches, told to stick to sports, etc. so i don't blame some of the players at all for wanting to sit out and use this time to take action against these issues off the court
     
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    Honestly Kyrie is simply out of control atm and might not be full of his senses. He even suggested starting an own league ... I am not sure what's going through his mind right now but looks like he is going a road which is not the most useful for this cause.

    On a Basketball note ... KD must be really happy with his Brooklyn decision in the long run ...

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-nba-players-start-own-league-on-restart-call
     
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    Have to say, I am a Kyrie hater after this. Dude is a colossal moron, from his days of saying he did not like playing with Lebron, to his miserable stint with the C Bags and now to this. Absolute idiot who deserves ZERO respect. Any NBA player that wants this guying speaking for him would also be a moron. If there are that many morons that this will control the league, I will gladly move on.

    Oh yeah, let's not forget he thinks the world is flat!!!
     
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    Again .... expect him there 2-3 months later for regular shortened season once Batman is back. KD must be 2nd guessing everything about now.

    If Dwight hurts LA again he’s going to regret it later again you know it. Regret it on his own is what I mean.
     
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    Some highlights from leaking info I guess





     
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    if guys like bradley and dwight don't want to play, i'm not gonna blame them. there are far more concerning issues right now than basketball so i can totally understand why that would be the last thing on their minds

    personally, i wish they'd just cancel the season. this whole orlando things just sounds so stupid and gimmicky. not to mention the 2020 title would be forever tainted anyways. don't want the lakers winning a title that way
     
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    So glad Durant picked NJ :D
    They deserve each other.
     
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    From ESPN today:
    Avery Bradley: Coalition wants NBA's plan for black causes before restart
    • Los Angeles Lakers guard Avery Bradley -- a co-leader of a players coalition with Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving -- says his group is eager to hear the league office, ownership and sponsors detail a plan on issues of importance to the black community before the NBA's restart in Orlando, Florida.

      Bradley and the players coalition described several priorities Tuesday to ESPN, including improved hiring practices for black front-office and head-coaching candidates -- making it so the league's management better reflects its composition of players; donations to organizations serving black communities; and partnerships with black-owned businesses and arena vendors.

      Bradley expressed support for NBA players wanting to use platforms in Orlando to speak on issues of systemic racism, but said his group believes those efforts would have greater impact with "our owners' help."

      "Regardless of how much media coverage will be received, talking and raising awareness about social injustice isn't enough," Bradley told ESPN. "Are we that self-centered to believe no one in the world is aware of racism right now? That, as athletes, we solve the real issues by using our platforms to speak?

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    "We don't need to say more. We need to find a way to achieve more. Protesting during an anthem, wearing T-shirts is great, but we need to see real actions being put in to the works."

    The NBA and National Basketball Players Association have talked about how they will address these issues together, but definitive plans are still forthcoming.

    The burden of financial donations to black communities disproportionately falls onto players, Bradley said, adding that he hopes more owners will follow the charitable lead of Dallas' Mark Cuban and Charlotte's Michael Jordan in the aftermath of George Floyd's death last month.

    "I agree (the) Orlando (restart) will give the players checks to contribute back into their communities," Bradley said. "But how much of that bubble check are players actually able to contribute? Why (is) all of the responsibility being put on the players?"

    This had been part of Bradley's thinking when he helped organize a Lakers-wide social media post two weeks ago: "If you ain't wit us, we ain't wit you."

    The message was intended "for all those who have more financial power than us, but aren't taking a bigger stance when our community needs you," Bradley said.

    The coalition, Bradley said, wants to see an increase in black executives among the ranks of top basketball decision-makers. The NBA has eight black general managers, but only four with final authority on basketball decisions. The NBA has seven black head coaches. Toronto's Masai Ujiri has the title of president and full authority on basketball.

    "The actual act of sitting out doesn't directly fight systemic racism," Bradley said. "But it does highlight the reality that without black athletes, the NBA wouldn't be what it is today. The league has a responsibility to our communities in helping to empower us -- just as we have made the NBA brand strong."

    Bradley said that if the NBA does have plans to organize league-wide action, those proposals haven't been clearly communicated to players.

    "Don't put all of the weight on your player to take care of the issue," Bradley said. "If you care about us, you can't remain silent and in the background."

    The players coalition began to take shape over the weekend amid concerns surrounding the league's return to play after a three-month shutdown amid the coronavirus pandemic. The group includes WNBA players.

    Irving and Bradley are two of a number of veteran players who have taken on expanded roles in organizing player conference calls over the past week. The group believes it has a responsibility to explore solutions for fellow players who are reluctant to speak for themselves amid fears of backlash.
     
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    So, does everyone believe that the number of black FO personnel should exactly reflect the percentages of the players?
     
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    What exactly do they want? This seems like a pretty unorganized call to action.

    League: What do you want?

    Bradley: Change

    League: What sort of change?

    Bradley: The changey kind.

    If they choose not to play, they will be out of sight which means they will be out of mind. I think they may be overestimating their influence on our collective consciousness. Nobody really thinks about these guys outside of a basketball setting. That's just human nature. You associate people with the thing you know them for. I think about a lot of my coworkers only as it pertains to work. When I'm not at work, I don't think about them. If you remove basketball, we won't think about these guys. If we're not thinking about them, what good is the protest?
     
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    Most are not as smart as LBJ, always eye on the prize and sprinkle it with his "causes" but always the money is top priority
     
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    Getting closer...can't wait.
     
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    Closer to what? Armageddon?
     
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    It’s in the article.

    That doesn’t sound like a vague general call for change. They are specific action items that it makes sense to ask from the league. As stated by Bradley, sure if you play you have a larger immediate platform but even ignoring the aspect of how that can serve as a distraction to the public, that puts the onus on the players to take action. What’s more productive? Using your leverage to force owners to commit to donations and practices that help the black community? Or having a temporary viral moment when you kneel before the anthem of a televised game?

    I think Dwight even specifically said that they don’t want to stop the league from returning. They want to get commitment on these items and to continue discourse. Why not get the NBA to concede to these points and then play anyways to also expand your platform and own financial wealth that you can spread through the community how you see fit? Have your cake and eat it too.

    But yes, they are going about it the wrong way. This should have been handled collectively by the entire player base through the Player’s Association, privately. All these factions operating through media leaks is not great.

    Kyrie’s rumored suggestions that the NBA is complicit in racism and that the players can form their own league is ludicrous and changes the conversation from ownership from “Sure, this is a sensitive time. Let’s work together to find actions that the league/owners can take to help fight racial injustice that makes all parties look good while helping all of our bottom lines” to “Try it and we’ll rip up the CBA and take back all the concessions we made to the players in the last round of negotiations”.
     
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    That's still not exact, nor is it something the league can just easily implement. Are they supposed to start hiring people simply because they are black? Are they going to hire vendors simply because they are black and not based on who is best suited to handle the needs of the NBA? And they want them just to donate to charities? So they're telling someone else how to donate their money? These things are not something to be holding up the league over when they are extremely complex issues that were made to sound more like a wish list they thought of on the spot. "Wouldn't it be cool if most of the coaches were black and most of the vendors were black?" These suggestions are not as black and white (no pun intended) as they make it out to be. That's what I mean by being the changey kind. It's like someone saying we need universal basic income. How do we pay for it? Tax rich people! Yeah. How rich do you think they are in comparison to 350,000,000 million people getting an amount of money that would be significant?

    I do agree with you that this should have been handled as a league through the Player's Association. Kyrie accusing the NBA of all leagues of being complicit in racism...like I said, they are the one league that is on the right side of these issues most of the time.
     
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    they're just playing with fire by going on with this thing in florida

    3 pro sports teams (phillies, blue jays, lightning) have closed their facilities in FL because of positive cases. and the state as a whole is seeing new daily cases at numbers higher than ever. it's just not worth it to go ahead with this thing in a place that has become the new epicenter of the pandemic in the US
     
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    Lakers Hire Dr. Karida Brown As Director Of Racial Equity & Action
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    The Los Angeles Lakers announced the hiring of Dr. Karida Brown as the Director of Racial Equity & Action to help the team in their efforts to promote change within the community.

    Brown is an assistant professor of African American Studies and Sociology at UCLA and also serves on the boards of The Obama Presidency Oral History Project and the Du Boisian Scholar Network.

    Brown has a master’s and a doctorate in sociology from Brown University and a master’s in government administration from the University of Pennsylvania.

    In addition to her status as a Fulbright Scholar, she has also written two books detailing instances of racial injustice in the United States and is currently working on a third book titled “Separate and Unequal,” that will center on the history of segregated school systems and the impact it continues to have today.

    It is safe to say that Brown is well-equipped to provide the Lakers with a sense of direction when it comes to tackling the issues of systemic racism. As a result, she will be taking on an integral role within the franchise in order to help it come to fruition.

    “We are very happy to have Dr. Brown join the team,” Lakers COO & president of business operations Tim Harris said.

    “She will play a key role in implementing educational programming on race and racism for our employees and helping us focus on racial equity in our day-to-day functions, as well as empowering the organization to identify ways to be more active participants in affecting real change.”

    Lakers teammates active in seeking change
    Avery Bradley and Dwight Howard have played a central role in voicing the concerns over restarting the 2019-20 NBA season amid the efforts beingmade to combat racial injustice and usher in police reform. They are hoping players and owners alike will continue to put an emphasis on the real issues at hand in order to spark true change.

    Danny Green recently joined peaceful protestors in downtown L.A., and LeBron James is spearheading a voting rights organization that is focused on using the voices of professional athletes and entertainers to combat voter suppression and support African-American voters in their communities.

    Among the notable topics Bradley has touched on is his desire for the league to improve the representation in front offices to better reflect that of the players. Fortunately, the Lakers have since put the onus on themselves to answer the call by doing just that with the hiring of Brown.

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    Honestly, California is the biggest area of pandemic growth in the US right now, unfortunately for those of us who live here. 3,700 plus new cases yesterday, largest single day total for the state thus far. We have almost double the number of cases of Florida. The problem for Florida though is they are starting to overwhelm their hospitals whereas we are not.

    Even with everything - some of the players wanting to sit out due to possible distraction from social issues in their opinion, and more cases coming up in Florida, I still think we are going to have basketball return.
     
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