Official Whine, Moan, Complain Thread 19/20-CLOSED "WE CHAMPS!"

You can't just one up trade Kuzma for Bogdonavic. Meaning more players attached. Then Green for Covington on top. Am telling you guys now Jeanie is not going to let them blow up a quarter or more of the roster after what just happened. There's a bigger picture involved whether the ring is the only thing folks like it or not. I could be wrong, but I would bet at most, one spot is moved to bring in Collison or the mythical lockdown wing we can get off waivers.

 

If they have the inside track for Collison and Igoudala, my following point is mute but .....

You can throw in Cook and the trade for Bogdonavic works. That allows you to use the Green contract at that point to take on an expiring like Morris or a long term deal like Covington The Lakers have a tremendous frontcourt: potential to be one of the best all time but the guard rotation are a bunch of roleplayers who do only 1 or 2 things well. If Jeanie is that sentimental then this team will go down before getting to the Finals IMO. The great thing is the Lakers don't need a lot but at the same time they are missing some key pieces which make them exploitable by playoff teams

 

So now we’re also throwing in Cook who is tight with Lebron and grew up a die hard Lakers fan following Kobe? Like LT I don’t see it happening and it would make me feel a little weird.

 

I think Damian Lillard showed what happens if you hope sentimentality is going to get this team where you want it to go.

I can't emphasize enough what a ticking time bomb this team is and the way it's constructed. Lebron has maybe 2 years after this where his old legs can still keep up with his passing ability to be an elite player. Also, Kobe's memory is not going to make a difference when Anthony Davis decides on what he wants to at the end of the year. For example, I've seen NBA players like Carlos Boozer backstab a blind owner who was known at that time as one of the nicer owners in the league.

As I've stated before Kobe off all people would want this team to improve and it does nothing for his memory to watch a team with the potential to win a title and truly honor him to not make significant moves to improve the roster if they are available

 

I still believe the team can improve if it has the courage to stop running the two man offense and consciously tries to find more shots for its shooters.

AD shot well last night and should of course be allowed to shoot threes when he's hot like that, but otherwise we should redistribute the threes among Daniels, Cook, KCP

LBJ, AD, Bradley and Kuzma take 47% of the three point shots but shoot it at a 32.6% success rate

The rest of the team takes 53% of the three point shots but shoot it at a 38.7% success rate

This is the equivalent of telling Daniels to be the rebounder, or KCP to be the point guard... why would you have the worst three point shooters with half of the shots?

Not to mention its bad for morale as well as putting pressure on the rest of the team to find their rhythm when they haven't been shooting all game.

What's the point of having Daniels on the court, if you are only running plays for AD and LBJ and he doesn't even shoot?

We do need the wing defender, but as far as offense goes, if you move the ball and find the true shooters, I think we'd be doing way better.

It would be different if LBJ and AD were like Dame and could take over the game. But Bron is getting too old and AD doesn't play that style.

The solution isn't trading away all our 40% 3 point shooters... the solution is actually using them.

 

They ran several plays for shooters.
Daniels when he got chased of his spots bricked a a few pull up mid rangers
Danny Green missed a ton of good looks.

They did try to find the 3 point shooter last night and its fine if someone gets hot but under playoff level defense you need a guy who can create or shooters who are either more consistent or can provide a different offensive punch then what the Lakers currently have. Kuzma is the one guy who has the length to shoot over a strong closeout but he's wildly inconsistent as well. The Lakers had a decent offense but a great defense to get them where they are now but when their defense breaks down mostly due to big athletic wings (or Lillard last night) they don't have the horses to keep up right now on offense. This is fixable (less Rondo, one more playmaker) but the issues aren't going to go away with a different playset

 

def, has been MIA for a while now

 

I actually think the advanced metrics match the eye test really well**. You have two MVP types in LBJ/AD then a bunch of solid playoff rotation players and then the problems begin. Kuzma was the key to this season and I've been supportive but his inability to matchup with big wings is a deficiency and all of the PG's on this team outside of Caruso have big holes in their games.

Needs a quality playoff caliber player at PF/SF and PG spots to fill the holes

**Green is ranked surprisingly high for me: he's been very inconsistent in games and the way Vogel plays him seems he doesn't fully trust him either. Part of this is his contract probably which I don't think he's played up to

 

Well this trade deadline did not work out well the Lakers.

Clippers have another body to throw at Lebron and who can space the floor.
Lakers haven't added a defensive SF or a playmaking PG which was their two biggest gaps
Collison can solve the latter but they need the former as well

 

Actually no, the Clippers do not have another body to throw at Lebron. They traded a younger, more athletic body that defends better for an older, stronger guy that shoots better. Lebron struggles more with length and athleticism and Morris’s defense is being severely overrated here. This is just a classic case of Lakers fan FOMO.

 

Couldn't agree more. I'm shocked that they traded Mo Harkless away. This dude played HUGE for them both games they played against us. Morris defense is extremely overrated and I think this is a downgrade for them. As a Lakers fan, i'm happy that they made this trade.

 

i think the clippers were the favorites before and after the trade. but i agree that harkless played well for them and did what they needed. i'm not sure what morris brings other than helping them win regular season games when one of PG and kawhi are sitting. i suppose he shores up their best five-man playoff unit, too.

anyway, not much to fuss about. we didn't nor should we have matched that price. i wasn't expecting a move at the deadline, and i thought there was a good chance if we made one, we'd regret it.

 

I think they have a psychological edge with players like Kawhi, Beverly, Morris, Harrell.... but the Lakers can either rise to the challenge or get punked.

Skills wise I think we can still win, but it will take AD and Kuzma to take it to the next competitive level mentally.

It was the right call not to make that lopsided trade.

 

I think Montrelz is way too overated
Last year he played vs Looney in playoff.This season as favorite he is going vs Jokic,Lakers bigs or Gobert and even Oklahoma's bigs Steven Adams and Noehl will cause him many problems

 

im personally glad Harkless is gone...he was a problem for us

 

Clips are going to represent the west, imo.

 

And they gave up a 1st for the deal. Seems like desperation to me.