2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. vasashi17

    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    You’re only as good as your options doe.

    If I want more perimeter shooting without sacrificing the cap plan and I go to my cap guys for it and they come back with Zu/Beas for Mus as one of our better options...bruh?!
     
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    Lakers will need a prominent role player who gets bought out to come to LA. Only way the Lakers keep this current roster together and get an impact role player.
     
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    Do you guys view Avery as untouchable or would move in the right deal?

    Trying to see if Ingles is a possible get for us. Avery, Cook, and Boogie to cut/waive for Ingles. Maybe we add a 2nd?

    I think though we would have to then move Kuzma for a pg like Derrick White if Possible.

    White, Green, Lebron, AD, Mcgee
    Caruso, KCP, Ingles, Dudley (try to get a buyout pf), Dwight
    Rondo, Daniels, THT

    White could play backup pg as well and keep KCP with starters. But when Lebron sits, White should be in with AD.

    Or we could make a move for Marcus Morris with Avery, Cook, Boogie, THT, and a 2nd I believe works. He is a bigger strong guy to defend Kawhi instead of Danny Green

    Thoughts?
     
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    I like Ingles, but his defensive numbers are tied into Rudy just as much as any of our wing defenders’ numbers spiked due to AD and Dwight/McGee. Caruso is a beast out there, but you think his numbers would be as inflated if he wasn’t as aggressive out there knowing who’s got his back behind him?

    So I just think it’s too much to give up for Ingles although it is a tempting proposal. Also consider that Boog’s 1.75m dpe gets stricken from the cap sheet if we trade him.

    I felt Marcus would have been great as Bron’s primary backup, but dude chose to chase that bag instead.

    I do agree with your general idea of getting a more durable 3D wing player (ie Ingles has only missed 4 games total over his 6 years in the league) cause Av has missed a ton of time over the years. Also I agree in having to look at Kuz as a means of getting more playmaking so Bron doesn’t have to do so much...which is why you need to look at getting players like Melo, Morris, Crowder, etc to keep Bron’s minutes/usage during the regular season as a minimum.

    Btw, your trade proposals is what our team capologists need to be doing. When it comes to know cap, it’s obvious they over their heads...no cap.

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    In due Time, folks will start seeing it.

    #YoureOnlyAsGoodAsYourOptions
     
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    Don’t know if this was posted yet but here goes...

     
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    For who? And how credible considering they couldn't use a damn pic with his CURRENT team?
     
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    Well here Ingles would have AD, Mcgee, Dwight, Caruso, Lebron, and KCP next to him.

    I think Avery is a nice piece ofc, but cook won't give us serious minutes in playoffs and Ingles is a very good shooter to replace him (has started off slow though). And Boogie is just salary filler obv.

    The trade is semi realistic because Kuzma stays here. Gives us more length and if Lebron decides to rest we have Ingles and Kuzma to pick up the slack.

    I would pull the trigger on that deal. We need some shooting and playmaking.
     
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    Who tf is that source for Crowder?

    Guy is as plugged in as us lol.

    Not the biggest Crowder fan tbh. I would do Cook, Boogie, and cash. Idk if I would even throw in a 2nd. Try to get a 3rd team to give Memphis a 2nf for Jae?
     
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    Yeah, I don’t know. Just posting it for discussion purposes. They had something in there on Iggy too that Memphis is not going to release him.

    Maybe they chose the Jazz purple uni because it is close to the Lakers? Who knows...
     
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    yeah, no way these guys have any idea how the cap works.

    honestly, this is your worst consistent take: the idea that message board jockeys know more than rob and the lakers' dedicated staff regarding the collective bargaining agreement. i'm sorry, it's an astonishingly dumb suggestion that i feel has to be a troll attempt. there's no way you can think you and nzahir actually know more about how the cap works than the lakers' front office.
     
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    What nzahir does is continuously give trade proposals to upgrade the roster. I suggested that Laker team capologists should be doing the same thing, if not already.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansid...says-gms-gets-trade-ideas-message-boards/amp/

    Here’s wild about you trolling us to shield the FO from any criticism. This summer they struck out 1st/2nd choices at coach & free agency. They not only struck out, they appeared to have scrambled in doing so. The leaks during our coaching search were flat out embarrassing.

    But let’s focus on free agency. Do you like the 3star cap tactic? If you don’t, then you can’t criticize when I, nzahir or any other member here suggests it but then give a pass to our FO when they try to do it. s*** @TIME and I even had the great 9 vs 11 debate during the 2018 campaign so that a possible Bron-Kawhi-PG configuration was possible. Fast forward to this past summer and it sure looks like message board jockeys were on to something, weren’t they?

    You can’t really criticize arm chair GMs, then see our FO go attempt to do the same f***ing thing and support them.
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    Nah Patrick, its hypocrazy.

    Study the trends my friend: we have dumped assets prematurely... no cap.

    Clearing cap has always been the plan, from addressing MozDeng using our kiddies as bait to 1yr deals in summer of 2018...followed by using our kiddies to attempt to gain 2 stars to join Bron to signing 2yr deals this past summer in hopes to go at it again in the summer of 2021 (FYI only Caruso and Green have guaranteed 2 yr deals, the rest of our 2019 FAs have defacto 1yr deals).

    The FO warrants criticism. And if they don’t, applaud the continued efforts of your fellow message board brethren instead of trolling us.
     
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    yeah, not getting into it with you, just commenting on how ridiculous it is to claim that professionals who are paid basically only to know the cap rules don't know the cap rules.

    the reason they didn't do all the things you want is because either a) they couldn't (cuz, you know, others have to play ball) or b) they were bad ideas.

    it wasn't because they didn't know that making trades at certain times and sequencing signings and offering extensions were possibilities.

    that's my beef.

    and i'm not dragging nzahir into it. he or she is fine by me. nzahir isn't harping over impossible stuff (AD should be locked up!) several months after the fact.
     
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    I heard from a neighbor that the capologist the Lakers hired who worked for the Spurs was available because Pop blamed him for some reason for Kawhi getting away. But if he was any good they would have overlooked that I guess. Maybe Buford hires dummies too.
     
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    You wouldn't be a good capologist. You get too attached to the kids...
     
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    This is true.
     
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    @abeer3 You brought up nzahir as a message board jockey....yet I’m the one dragging him into this.

    You want no smoke with me, but pretty much call me a troll.

    And the hypocrazy continues.

    Magic was never a CBA guy...that’s obvious. Trade proposals that occurred under his watch were brought to him by the GM who also had capologists who conspired those trade options.

    Rob is a novice and needed to get more acquainted with CBA mechanics himself.



    So with either Magic or Rob as the dude, what’s the common theme? Dumping salary and constructing contracts for cap space that (other than Bron) doesn’t get realized.

    Historically losing teams hire professionals as well. Those professionals then turn to message boards...



    Thats a former executive of the year saying that s*** too. Dude’s a consummate professional!

    Roster construction has it where Dudz barely plays and Bron has to dip into his super soldier serum too often to exploit this portion of the calendar.

    Do better.

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  20. nzahir

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    I’m not a cap expert by any means btw

    But I do know how to make salaries match. Something that 90% of people online for some reason have yet to figure out

    Trade deadline is Rob’s next challenge. His FA was nothing special to me.

    Going for kawhi was already a big risk. But some of the moves could have been better after that failure

    Such as signing korver or wes Matthews over Troy Daniels.

    Signing cook over Markieff Morris

    Could have tried to get dragic in sign and trade and green takes a little paycut or 3 year deal

    All realistic moves

    So let’s see what he does

    If we can get Iggy and upgrade a backup pg or sg spot (shooter spark plug) even with someone like DJ Augustin or someone unexpected like Malik Beasley and keep Kuzma, then I'm fine
     
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