2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    You're talking a year later now .... end of this season? Another year of the twighlight of Lebron wasted? You can't argue both sides.

     
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    It's paying off because LBJ hasn't lost much if anything.

    If he ages at a more normal rate... we are in the middle of the second sh*t storm since Kobe's injury.

    I'm glad the gamble worked, but it annoys me that people say so confidently it was the right move.

    If he keeps on improving his shot... this gamble could pay off for even longer than earlier imagined.

    But if he gets hurt... we are in serious trouble.

    Same could be said about BI... if his blood clot flares up... then the trade looks as good as when we dumped Bynum on Philly.

    Too many variables... it's not arguing both sides... it's just presenting scenarios.
     
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    we didn't dump bynum on philly. we traded an allstar for a superstar. if bynum continued to be an allstar, it was still a good trade.

    we didn't dump ingram. we traded a non-star for a superstar.
     
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    I get that... but freakin Muscala? I rather got bag of chips in that trade ;)
     
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    The reality is Javale wanted his minutes and we never planned to keep Zu. Lakers always planned to resign Javale. He was playing awesome for us before he had an illness going on. I like Zu but Lakers fans, as with any fanbase, overrate their younglings. No other franchise outside the Lakers speak about Zu at all and the guy is only out there for 15-20 minutes depending on how badly they are getting beat down in the post.
     
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    Still, 3 times the player Muscala is or ever will be.
     
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  7. vasashi17

    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    Zu was suppose to be a 1.5m caphold this past summer as a RFA.

    Lakers planning to keep him or not shouldn’t matter really. We dumped a cheap asset for nothing and it wouldn’t be our first time either.

    f*** narratives when it comes to the cap sheet. I actually believed we traded Zu as a solid to him and his new wife to remain in LA...but f*** that noise now...narratives can lie, numbers don’t.

    No finesse...no imagination...we took a hacksaw to our cap sheet and I hope you guys can see that now.
     
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    There was never a need to prematurely dump low-salaried players. Had Kawhi come, all could have been easily moved after the agreement.

    zu’s a low-minute player, but a starter on what’s sadly probably the league’s best team.
     
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    I think we were trying to appeal to Kawhi’s weird nature during his decision making. Like “oh this team is actively making room for me” because we couldnt communicate with him effectively, err he wouldn’t communicate with us to be more exact.
     
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    I didn't like that Zubac move; Magic took responsibility for it, IIRC.

    He called Jerry, offered Zubac, and return, he asked for shooting. We ended up with Muscala.

    A joke of a move from a joke of a former executive...

     
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    Bron’s driveway says hi!

    Also Magic is an absentee exec, remember? So someone brought that trade proposal to his desk when he finally made it into the office.

    Jules let go for nothing...TB let go for nothing...s*** even Svi/future 2nd round pick was let go for nothing...then Magic stepped down and the trend continued.

    Moe/Bonga/JJ/future 2nd all say bye...from Bron’s driveway.
     
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    You just blamed Pelinka for the Zu trade when you know Magic owned it as his move. Jules was Magic. TB was Magic. Svi was Magic.

    Go ahead and fault Pelinka for Moe, but the rest are you blame shifting.
     
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    I hear Magic’s reasoning, but no trade should be made to an indoor rival. I’m sure Jerry being there made the opportunity easy and quick, but I wouldn’t have suggested that. Whatever muscala was supposed to be, surely someone somewhere could have offered something of the same or better for Zu. I won’t say he was lazy with that move, but sure feels like it.
     
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    This is fair.

    Or just a novice President of BBall Ops that didn't value an asset correctly and made the wrong move.

    I am just thankful he's gone.
     
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    I blamed our inexperienced FO for not getting the appropriate folks to hold their hands up there while they get seasoned and more wily in that role.

    Magic is absentee...Magic didn’t have full control...Magic wanted to hire his own people...

    All narratives that can either be legit or not.

    Meanwhile, what’s the running theme. We dump assets for nothing in return all in the name of cap space. Those numbers don’t lie. And that’s fine...as long as that cap space shows it’s full potential. Imo it didn’t, so the FO needs to start doing something about it.

    This is what a team capologist does...

    WHAT DOES A CAPOLOGIST DO?
    A capologist pitches trade scenarios year-round, follows 10-day signings, tracks open roster spots and monitors which teams need to hit the salary floor among other things. They provide this crucial info to the rest of the front office. Sometimes, the capologist will present a trade and the GM just makes the call to execute the deal.

    One GM told HoopsHype that his capologist is constantly presenting him with potential moves that could free up cap space, open roster spots or add an expiring contract, and he evaluates each potential move with his staff. The GM named a few of his completed trades that were constructed entirely by the team’s capologist.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopsh...a-salary-cap-larry-coon-bobby-marks-deal/amp/

    Our absentee exec had trade proposals dropped on his desk. So who dropped Zu/Beas for Mus as the best potential deal we had for Zu?

    But y’all want to keep rehashing this into Magic vs Rob. Please...it’s more than that. No matter who the figurehead is, one thing remains, they dump assets when it’s really not even necessary to.
     
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    I think this too. As we were being played by him the Lakers conversely were showing him, now that we could unlike what could be done when SA was shopping him, that we were all in and had space. FU Kawhi.
     
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    "Now, I had to try and space the floor, so the trade I made, I wanted to make sure I could see if we could space the floor, and it didn’t work out." - Magic
     
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    That’s a cool story Magic and I’m sure you would had us believe that you read the CBA cover to cover too, right? I’m sure we can find someone to rehash a tweet where you regurgitated some of the more obvious provisions in that literature. I guess we can pontificate that just cause you weren’t in the office daily, doesn’t mean you didn’t take your reading assignments home.

    Here’s another story from Rob’s official intro presser, released by the Lakers:

    In Jeanie Buss' vision, Johnson will be the Lakers' big-picture leader and public face with final say on basketball decisions, while Pelinka will handle the mechanics of contracts and salary cap management.

    "Rob's knowledge of the NBA landscape and the CBA, as well as his relationships with GMs around the league, are invaluable," Johnson said.
     
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    You’re quoting stuff that argues against your point. That means that Magic made the decisions and Rob handled the contract details.
     
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    Would rather have Dwight and Javelle than Zu, would rather have AD than Ball, BI and Hart. Would rather have Lebron than Melo, LMA or Derozen.

    When you are in the results business, it doesn't matter how or when. All that matters is the results come through. And for the Lakers, they have come through fully.

    The only trade I would not have made is Lou Williams when it was made. But then again, his money went to current set up so I don't know how that all could have come about.
     
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