2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

As KP gets his wings back, I'm not so sure that's a sure statement right now. All we have to do is be missing one key person, and that's a helluva series.

 

f***ing Riles...slammed the door on this option.

The Kawhi pursuit made absolute sense, but if we didn’t try harder in gaining a contingency, what a missed opportunity.

I have no doubt ego and feeling slighted played a part in all of this. Supposedly Jimmy wasn’t offered the max by Philly, but he still facilitated a S&t for them. If it was LA he chose, no need to pick up the phone when Philly calls cause he doesn’t need their help in getting to LA. So it’s safe to assume, we just didn’t pursue him hard enough.

Marc Stein: Jimmy Butler meets with Heat officials at 6:01 PM ET tonight but continues to draw interest from a number of suitors, league sources say, with the Lakers making the latest aggressive bid. Lakers officials, I’m told, are pushing for a pitch meeting with Butler

Literally dumped this guy for nothing. The 1st round pick from the Nance/JC trade is what made the deal so impressive at the time (other than etching out a 2nd max slot).

 

It hurts to think about these things, this was my problem going for Kawhi at the time.

If we got Jimmy though for max, this would be team:

Avery or kcp takes room, Jimmy, Lebron, AD, McGee

Rondo, Daniels, Dudley, Kuzma, Dwight
Caruso, THT, couple more vet mins

Would swing kuzma for young shooter if possible

 

Moe and Thomas Bryant hurt bad. BI had to be done. Lonzo and his family I'm over but I liked Josh a lot too.

Glad to see you are coming around to my way of thinking.

 

Mo, Bryant and Zu are still pissing me off. Guys that got traded for AD, och well.
I was pissed at letting Julius go... but watching him in NY, im kind of glad he's gone

 

Bro, it’s Hollywood...starS is what this city thrives off.

Where you and I are of the same mind is looking to our youth as assets. If they don’t cut it here, you move me for a star.

BI/Zo/Hart for AD was the package. The only reason Moe/Bonga/JJ/2nd got involved was to make room for another star...if that star ain’t in the bag though, we didn’t really need to dump those guys.

It was wild to think we dropped Zu and TB’s relatively trivial cap holds for cap space that wasn’t immediately necessary. I understand moving off big deals like JC, but these dudes was making 1-2m each...why cut them prematurely for cap that wasn’t going to a star player. Once you have the star in the bag, you can make those small moves to open up more cap at that time.

Anyways, shoulda woulda coulda, but this is what I meant by not finessing our situation. We just hacked away assets for no reason. Those assets could either do more for ya now than Dudz/Daniels/Cook or be used to grease a deal with Dec. 15th coming up.

As for the Iggy front, Dallas ain’t really wheel’n & deal’n yet...



It’s worth noting that a Lee for Iggy deal works straight up and it can happen now. They wouldn’t have to wait till Dec. 15th to do it cause Lee and Iggy weren’t signed to those respective teams with cap space.

 

The Rams are f*cked right now because of overpaying for "stars"

Goff, Gurley, Ramsey

McVay's a genius if he can put us in Super Bowl contention next season.

You need two stars... but Miami had Bosh and Ray Allen... Kobe had Lamar and Bynum... San Antonio had four or five great players... Cleveland had KLove

Maybe prime Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq didn't need a high quality third option.

If LBJ was 27, I'd say AD and role players was enough... at 35 it will be difficult to win it all unless Kuzma or someone emerges as a minor star.

I'm not saying you don't need stars... but recent history shows you need a combination of both stars and depth.

 

Senient, other sports can be used to make comparisons (ie we could be the Dodgers with a great regular season followed by...) but the thing about other sports is their CBA.

Their salary structure and cap sheet is vastly different than the NBAs.

The thing with stars is they have demand in this league. If you can fit 3 stars in your cap sheet, you already have an advantage over other teams, cause if the roster doesn’t work or the chemistry is off, you can still sell off that star and their salary and bring back great pieces.

If Butler was on this squad, or s***, even DLo, we’d be in a far better position to construct a title team if those dudes surprisingly didn’t mesh with Bron/AD.

I our current predicament...we have to hope we don’t endear a major injury. And even if we wanted to deal, we face many limitations other than a limited war chest.

Stars is where it’s at when it comes to the NBA. cLips are suddenly relevant and just where would we be if Bron didn’t have a star running mate?

 

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But it still seems like you are equating BI to the star level where he's not firmly entrenched yet. Playing like one for most of a whole season. Certainly not in AD's orbit. The fodder around BI .... Lonzo and Hart .... is irrelevant talking about having AD on the Lakers now before HE even reaches his prime. The deal was the right deal.

 

You do realize BI was going to cost 130 million over 4 years at the end of this season if he performed all year. As in the article I posted today that NO is going to have to step up and pay. With Lonzo following next year for some relatively high amount as well probably. So keeping BI and Lonzo with Lebron guarantees what exactly?

 

I completely understand what you all are saying about BI.
I was a huge stan and I can still totally get people's concerns about his inconsistent play, his durability, and his blood clot.

In that context the trade was fine.

But we had heard Kawhi was Clippers bound all season... we heard how they were following him around and no one thought he was coming here until the last minute when the press gassed up the storyline... fooling me just as much as everyone else into thinking we were front runners.

When the process became drawn out... it became clear Kawhi was shopping for a second star... we thought maybe it was Jimmy and then breathed a collective sigh of relief when he signed with Miami.

But it should have been clear to the front office with all the inside information that Kawhi was playing us.

I can understand the public being fooled... but not management.

In that context we should have signed Jimmy or DLo and gone with that instead of relying on Danny Green or an unlikely quantum jump from Kuzma.

I had no problem with giving up Ingram, Ball and #4. That was where I wanted to draw a line even though I loved having Ingram.

When we added the two picks and Hart was when I became disillusioned. The combined damage from the Muscala trade and divesting Mo and Bonga for no reason was only added salt in the wound.

 

Actually Zu still isn't earning his pay he got from the Clippers as evident in the minutes he gets and only in situations they feel he can handle on the floor. I've come to grips with we weren't going to pay him to keep him. So they tried to get someone in that could shoot trying to save the season I guess. Svi I am still a bit salty about though it seems he has not overwhelmed in Detroit to be a rotation player yet?

 

I'm plenty salty about Svi... as he's shooting 49% from three being played in the same random fashion as Luke used him.

I had wanted to draft Shamet... who Philly and the Clippers played.

Svi shot better than Shamet with the 2nd hardest strength of schedule at Kansas compared to 50th SOS at Wichita State.

You've gotta let those pure shooters shoot... it drives me crazy how we play Daniels randomly.

It's a three point league and we're still living in the nineties.

 

i didn't like dumping guys before we got a commitment from a max FA. moe could have been here, bryant could have been here before. bonga--who cares, he's pretty terrible.

i hated the zu trade, but it appears we would have dumped him, too, so water under the bridge i guess.

i've been consistently and staunchly opposed to the cap space plans in all their variations, particularly all the premature moves to clear big cash when we didn't actually have people on the hook. that was bad management.

the AD trade was great management. though it was really rich paul who did it. but at least we stayed out of his way.

 

Sentient, you trade for AD all day!

But I agree with you completely in that we overpaid to get a dude wanting to come here and us having the legit threat to move on from AD with our max cap space for another FA or to get more salary dumped onto us along with assets to either revisit an AD deal in Feb 2020 with even more assets or just hold out till summer 2020 to grab AD with our max slot. The downside, we really ducking around with Bron’s twilight, but s*** he agreed to sign up to it, so there’s that.

I believe we held the leverage, but didn’t capitalize on it...and at the very least if we trade all those assets, you bag AD via an extension. That has to happen at the very least.

Anyways, shoulda woulda coulda but didn’t so got to work with what we have now and protect our Bron/AD investment to the fullest.

#GetThoseGuysToMay and let them show you why they get the big boy bag.

 

again with the extension that AD said he was never going to sign and that didn't make sense to sign anyway.

and now we're crying over a guy playing 12mpg for detroit. troy daniels actually made lots of threes in nba games (until we got him). we couldn't wait on svi to become useful, just like we won't wait on daniels if he keeps shooting blanks.

 

Still gotta do your due diligence and offer it.

Dejounte Murray, Dray, Bledsoe, Simmons are all tier 1 Klutch klients that took an extension...even having it where they ain’t paid max dollar unless they meet “unlikely” performance incentives.

 

Another way of looking at it is that we gave up 12 to 15 players to clear cap space for players who would have come here anyway.

I get the fear after what happened with PG... but I would have held my nerve in negotiations.

Clarkson, Nance, Randle, Dlo, BI, Lonzo, Hart, Zubac, Svi, Mo, Bonga, Bryant, 3 #1 picks all gone

And I watched every single one of those tanking season games.

 

you're preaching to the choir on nance/clarkson/dlo. only one of those deals needed to happen, imo. i also think letting mo and bryant walk and dumping svi was silly and thought so at the time, though i didn't lose sleep over it because i didn't think any of them was going to be a difference maker. i still don't, tbh. but it's still dumb. zu was a really stupid move.

we also should have moved randle for a 1st before we tanked his value.

BI/lonzo/hart/late picks was, again, a no-brainer.

 

I really think AD would have come anyway.

I can't argue with the results this season... and I can't complain about the signings after we lost Kawhi... but losing everyone is just too bitter a pill for me to swallow.

If Rob comes up with similar signings next season... then I will accept things better. Plus we need to get someone good at #27-30 pick