2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. Weezy

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    I looked them over as well, and they seem mostly pretty good to me. Parker last season, Oladipo before that. I don't put a lot of stock in Kidd-Gilchrist because that's an MJ pick and he always screws those up. Derrick Williams had the talent and the resume in college just like Beasley, both just never put it together or seemed to want it bad enough to live up to potential. Evan Turner seemed like a safe pick too. I think if you're in doubt with any players, you just go with height/size, because guards are easy to come by, but you don't have an Okafor or Towns available often.
     
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    ^ we also had Darko, Hasheem, Stromile... But i guess You're right, we should go with a big (unless Jordan or Marc are coming) :D.
     
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    Darko was one of those foreign gambles. It was dumb at the time because Melo was obviously a great player, but it turned out idiotic after the fact because Wade and Bosh became so good. Few saw Wade becoming what he did coming out, I knew almost nothing about him, for me that draft was about LeBron and Melo. I don't think Mitch is dumb enough to take a Darko.

    Thabeet, was always a stiff, and only played because of his height, he didn't even start playing ball til he was 15. Memphis was fooled by his crazy height and shot-blocking in college. In the pros going against men, his lack of speed and experience caught up with him. Hindsight is always easy as well. Harden didn't look in college like the player he's turned out to be, and many teams didn't know if Curry was big enough for his game to translate to the NBA. In the end I don't see Thabeet in Okafor or Towns, they're more polished already than he ever was.

    Oh and I don't hate the idea of taking a PG if Mudiay impressed that much in workouts, but it's impossible to have a guarantee that you're going to sign Gasol or Jordan during the draft. So I don't think we can take that risk. We need a dominant big more than a guard IMO, because we do still have Clarkson and can still hope he progresses to be the guard we need. I guess what I mean when I say go with size, is that players like Cousins, Aldridge, Gasol, Jordan, Randolph, and a few others are extremely hard to come by. If you can get one that has that sort of potential on a rookie salary, I don't see how you can go any other way.
     
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    I'm now seeing the Light on Towns or Okafor. I was thinking Mudiay would be great, but I like the idea of Randle with Towns or Okafor.

    Honestly, I'm cool with letting the Timberwolves decide for us on who goes to us.

    If we want to trade it for Cousins, then fine. But I say why not use it and just see what can happen next year anyways because you could just not trade for Cousins or Durant and let them sign here. Or better yet, trade whoever we get for either one next year during the draft if worse comes to worse.

    I think though, we should keep it and draft. Also, I hope whoever we take, we play them a lot with Randle and Clarkson, if not in the starting lineup a lot so that they can compete for the ROY
     
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    Like I said, I slept through the lottery, just saw the video

    http://www.nba.com/2015/news/05/19/nba-draft-lottery-wire.ap/

    LOL @ Okafor's (and a few others) face at the very end when Minny gets the top pick. He's like "oh crap, time to start being super humble and talking myself out of that #1 spot". That's how it looked to me anyway, biting his lip, looking around like "yikes, uh oh".
     
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    Well, Minny is not a bad place to live in/play for. Wayyyyy better than Philly :D
     
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    If only because they'd be traded the following year for draft picks.

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    What about those 2 other picks? Anyone valuable we could get there? I'm not too much into college sports, and I didn't follow the thread all that closely.
     
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    While I think we'll be happy with either Okafor or Towns, I lean Towns. To me it comes down to defense. You can almost never go wrong with a guy who can defend even if he has some offensive weaknesses, but it can drive you absolutely nuts and create a major weakness if you have someone who CAN'T defend, even if he has offensive polish.
     
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    This is going to be very interesting. It's clear both of the bigs want to play for us. I wonder how their camps are going to play this.

    Also, we will be bombarded with chatter on everything from trades to taking one of the guards. It won't happen. Russell or Mudiay would have to have the greatest workout ever to get picked ahead of Towns or Okafor. I mean, an injured Embiid went third last year. We won't pass on a big guy. I also doubt we will trade the pick. Having a core of 19 and 20 year olds with as much upside Clarkson-Randle-Okafor/Towns is just something we shouldn't pass on.
     
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    I don't think it's crazy to have Mudiay above Okafor on our board. He could very well live up to the John Wall comarison and be the best player in this draft.

    I do however think Mitch is far too smart to just straight up draft Mudiay at #2. If anything he'll be shopping Okafor to teams that would sell their soul for him. He hasn't dropped below #2 on many boards and I'm sure some teams are sold on him being their future. If we really want Mudiay at any cost we'll have to strike a deal with the Sixers or Knicks to land Mudiay + assets. If we have Okafor ranked evenly with some other prospects we can move even further down and get more assets to go with a pick swap. Cousins + a player like Henzoja at #6 would be pretty interesting. There are a number of possibilities now that we're in such a great position.
     
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    minny has Pekovic and Dieng, unless they move one, I think they're pretty much set at center. With the talent disparity between Towns and Okafor being really slim, I predict they go with Town's versatility and athleticism.
     
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    These articles cover some of the same ground. Naturally, his trainer came to his defense, but still some interesting nuggets in these.
    “Defensively there is no issue with his lateral movement or rim protection,’’

    “Every team has a different style of defense and scheme of defense that they promote off the pick and roll. In his last two years of high school, he had an aggressive defensive scheme and had to come up and defend on the pick and roll, and was able to.”

    “When you get a coach whose assignments are different, he has to do what his coaches tell him to do. The rim protection piece is basically foul trouble. Having guards coming at you, he was trying to stay out of foul trouble, trying to stay on the floor versus being off the floor. You will see his lateral movement and rim protection and see him defend help-side defense and on-the-ball defense. They allow more contract in the NBA.’’


    Jahlil Okafor Trainer: "Defensively There is No Issue"
    http://dailyknicks.com/2015/05/17/jahlil-okafor-trainer-defensively-there-is-no-issue/

    "Okafor covertly losing weight, fighting defense knock"
    http://nypost.com/2015/05/16/knicks-option-okafor-covertly-losing-weight-fighting-defense-knock/
     
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    No, not crazy to have Mudiay that high. I'm just saying he's an unknown. For all we know he's the next Irving, or on the other hand the next Exum, bust, or average guard. Again, I wish we'd seen him in college, how he would have done in pressure situations. Seeing him in the Chinese league doesn't tell us much about him. But I'm sure Mitch and Co will do their job and watch workouts closely and take the best player available. I also agree that the #2 pick is great to have even as a trade asset, gives us tons of options on draft day.
     
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    When was the last time there were two legit big men prospects like this coming out of college? Shaq and Zo?
     
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    yep, But Towns is comparable to Garnett while Jahlil to TD
     
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    That is what I have been thinking. Different skill sets but tons of potential for greatness.
     
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