Official Whine, Moan, Complain Thread 19/20-CLOSED "WE CHAMPS!"

43% from the free throw line would have been exposed in the playoffs like the black plague.

Lonzo is in the wrong era of not just average shooting by a guard but horrible shooting for a guard. Look at Ben Simmons if you need reference. And that guy is 6'10.

 

Well with AD/Boogie down low, he would be taking most of his shots on the perimeter, so the FT shooting would have been a non-factor. His defense would be sorely missed however.

 

.... unlike the rest of his family. No offense to and not including Tina.

 

exactly. Maybe they didn't do all the right things. And maybe some of the gambles didn't work but bar a long lebron injury at Christmas and a Lonzo injury (several) we are in the playoffs last season. Jeanie is finding her place with people she trust. We Lakers fans are spoiled and it shows.

 

Yes those too. I mean didn't we have Ingram playing PG for awhile? Hell Kuz was playing center at times. We took a beating. Then we tried to trade for AD and that got nixed causing the young dudes to crumble a bit. People forget all the real reasons we fell out of contention. I don't think we were a championship team but we were def a playoff team before the Dec 25 injury.

Off topic... I am betting the league goes Lakers vs Clippers on Xmas day

 

I’m firmly in the “we need new ownership” camp. All our recent successes have comes in spite of Jeanie and Rob, not because of them. When Magic bounced, Jeanie should have used that as an excuse to clean house and get a real GM. Instead she doubled down on Rob and people don’t even want to talk to that guy. If she can’t figure out who to hire (see, e.g. Jerry West), then she’s not an affective owner.

I give more credit to LeBron and Klutch than anything.

 

It's interesting we don't know any of that at all. I mean we look at the other teams and all of sudden everyone else has a better GM. We had Jerry West. OK he made some moves but he doesn't get anything if Kawhi doesn't decide that being part of a super team isn't for him. Kawhi made the Clippers and OKC gifted a player that they had no reason to trade. Our front office has been fighting an uphill battle against the other owners and the NBA itself yet here we are with arguably one of the best teams going into the season. Even if you say it was Bron and Klutch that means the FO still had to make the moves. They had to set up the plan B if Kawhi didn't sign. They did that.

The truth is it wouldn't matter who we bring on Lakers fans are going to hate on our own team. If we brought back JWest and Kawhi didn't get done then all we would hear is how "he is too old to make moves. He is out of date." or some sh** like that. I remember when we wanted to get rid of Phil then they won. We wanted to get rid of Mitch then they won. We wanted an owner like Mark Cuban then the Mavs became irrelevant again. Bring in a real GM? Oh yea now that the Clippers got to collude we all envy them? Like we got garbage on our team?

Nah, I'm good with what the FO is making happen personally.

 

exactly. If Rob pulled all this off the Lakers would be investigated and half the owners would be sending letters and calling to complain.

I think this is the Lebron and Klutch effect. These guys aren't looking at the NBA for career stats but for what they can get outside of the NBA. Kawhi wanted the bigger market and a spotlight in his home town. So did Paul. They get to go to the JV team and make their own name. If Kawhi can do what he did in Toronto he would be a God in LA and his NB brand would explode. The Clipper fans will def jump all over his brand because they are hungry to be relevant. Look at KD going to Brooklyn. He gets the NY world without having to take the heat of being in the "mecca of basketball." Hungry fan bases in big markets are going to yield more for these guys. With teams doing stuff like the Clippers did to Blake Griff I think the players are looking out for self. It comes back to Lebron undercutting the NBA way by bypassing the teams and the CBA in bringing the boys to Miami. Now dudes are doing back alley deals and teams are basically scrambling to make it happen. Hell, we got Davis that way.

 

You can’t give props to our FO for making the moves even if Lebron set them up and in the same paragraph say that clippers didn’t do anything other than have OKC gift them a player and Kawhi choosing them. They put themselves in a position to succeed.

 

you missed my point... I'm saying the opposite. Our guys are being killed while theirs are being killed and dismissed for the very things people are praising the other teams for.

If you praise the Clippers and J West for making all these great moves then you have to do the same for our guys. We built a better team than they did.

 

I feel you man. I think all the one sided reporting is just frustrating you - don’t worry we’ll have the last laugh!

 

He didn't have leverage but didn't need any, Presti knew they were stuck and wanted to blow it up. Paul George asking for a trade was a godsend.