2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. lakerfan2

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    Or maybe we trade down for multiple first round picks? Who knows. It's a discussion, not the Lakers Draft War Room.

    Hell, Aaron Gordon was selected 4th when he was projected 8-12 last year.
     
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    I'm so immature I can't stop laughing at the awesome name you've created in Joshnson. I think it actually sounds amazing. I'm naming my next pet Joshnson.

    Don't forget Randle! Half the fit is Clarkson and half the fit has to be Randle too... I know he's not proven like Clarkson is, but he is definitely part of our future plans.

    I'd say the best fit at this point is Johnson or Winslow honestly. Clarkson has shown some great development as a ball-handler/game controller. We need defense, spacing, and another person to get out on the break. Hezonja fits that bill too, but I think he'll need the ball more to be effective. I think in terms of perfect fit (assuming they all reach their ceilings):
    1. Towns
    2. Okafor
    3. Johnson
    4. Winslow
    5. Russell
    6. Cauley-Stein
    7. Hezonja
    8. Mudiay
    9. Kaminsky
    10. Dekker
     
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    We are not trading down, IMO. The Lakers aren't going the OKC route and waiting for a bunch of kids to pan out. It just doesn't work that way.

    Mitch is going to use a combination of the draft (lottery pick) and free agency to improve this team. If we kept all of 3 of our draft picks, we'd have 4 rookies going into next year. I just don't see that happening...
     
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    Being an athlete and athleticism are too different things here.

    Luke Walton was an athlete, but was he truly athletic? Apples and oranges here.

    Morrison and McDermott had one thing going for them, and that was the ability to shoot, which, in college, is everything. Obviously you didn't even bother reading the article I posted on how Kaminsky's skills would translate to the NBA.
     
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    Of course not, but anything can happen. Obviously, free agency didn't work out for us last year. Who knows if 2015 will be different? If we have a chance at grabbing a player we want, while trading down AND getting another first rounder out of it, why wouldn't you do that?
     
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    i read it; i just didn't agree. same stuff was written about the other two i mentioned, btw. lots of it.
     
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    Kaminsky -> Duncan?

    What did I miss?? That's just not a good comparison. The ONLY comparison I see there is that Duncan is an extremely cerebral player and Kaminsky is a smart kid. They're not at all similar in play style or athletic ability. They're not the same defensively or instinctually.

    That's not to say Kaminsky is bad, but that's a lofty comparison for what he brings and what his strengths are.
     
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    apparently, if you're not ok with duncan being mentioned in the same paragraph as kaminsky, you can GTFO!
     
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    I was stating that Duncan wasn't the greatest in terms of athleticism, but was still an effective player because he fundamental. Not to say he wasn't a big, strong player, but he's no Shaq, Dwight, or Deandre when in comes to athleticism.
     
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    but he's also nowhere near as limited physically as kaminsky.

    in other words, this isn't a binary distinction. not dwight howard does not equal kaminsky.

    tim duncan was the consensus #1 pick and obvious franchise player coming out of school. there were reasons. kaminsky is a guy who people debate about drafting in the teens. also reasons.
     
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    so a player that can do this:

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    is physically limited?
     
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    That's true, but their games are so fundamentally different. Even in college Frank's greatest success came from his outside shot. His ability to hit the 3 forced his defender to commit to the pull up. This let him put the ball on the ground and use his great footwork to get to the rim. That's going to be a LOT harder at the next level. That's why I compared him to a smarter Channing Frye. Someone else said Brad Miller which I think is a solid comparison. Maybe even a Robert Horry could be in his future.

    I just don't know that he has the physical profile to bang in the post in the NBA. Look at Ryan Kelly. He can't even post up against guards in the NBA. I'm not sure Kaminsky can get away with posting up, which makes the Duncan comparison a rough one when it comes to on the court product.

    We'll have to wait and see, but Kaminsky's best bet is being a stretch 4/5 in the NBA. I'm not against that, but I'm not sure what his ceiling is either.
     
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    And I'm not saying they have the same game either.

    I'm saying Frank doesn't need to be a gifted athlete to be a successful player because of his skillset.

    Look at those gifs up there. He can do all of that AND shoot the J? That's a pretty damn skilled player and difficult player to defend. Do you come out on him? Do you give him space?
     
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    Rookies tend to have a learning curve. Julius will have that same learning curve next year. Unless, it's a first rounder that can come in and help right away, I just don't see it.

    I could be completely wrong, though.
     
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    All players do, look at Wes Johnson. lol

    But really though, of course we want to build as quickly as possible, but building through the draft isn't necessarily a bad thing, it will just take a little longer.

    Especially if we're trying to get a max player, these rookie scale players will fill up the roster cheaply and maybe our genius scouting team can snag another JC or something.
     
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    Yeah, in spite of my earlier post, Olajuwon was a great pick that year, and an all time top 5 center.
     
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    I read somewhere that Mitch is under strict orders from ownership to construct a team that is going to contend for he PO's next year. We would have to more than double our wins; if the above is true, we'll be more active trying to land impact guys in free agency than the first round of the draft...
     
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    Well the question is a) can he shoot out to the 3 point line in the NBA and b) can he attack close-outs in the NBA the same way he did in college. The NBA is infinitely faster than college ball or international ball. I have my doubts that he can attack the rim the same way he did in college. I have my doubts he'll be able to bang inside for rebounds like he did in college.

    I like Frank a lot, but he's going to have to carve out a niche for himself that I'm not sure about. My gut tells me he'll be a smarter version of Ryan Kelly. A guy able to shoot outside, space the floor, get some rebounds with his length, and block a "surprising" number of shots. The difference is probably that Frank is a smarter player and better passer so where Ryan has struggled to be consistent, I think Frank will be more consistent.

    Still a stretch 4/5 has only so much of a ceiling unless he develops into Dirk Nowitzski.
     
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    You always take the center, of course not Kwame or Bowie if you ca help it.
     
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    The way I see it, if we end up 3rd which is a decent possibility, and the best player on the board is Mudiay...

    And we leapt over Philly so they're at #5 and #11 or something. If they offer #5 and #11 to get Mudiay, I take that trade.

    I pick Winslow or Johnson (whoever looks better in workouts) and with the 11th pick I either take a player that falls (Kaminsky, Hezonja, or Cauley-Stein) or I trade for a future pick. We end up with a kid we really need and future assets. We still have 20+ million to spend in FA as well.

    Sign Monroe or Jordan. Re-sign our bench guys. Boogie into the 2015/16 season.
     
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