Official Whine, Moan, Complain Thread 19/20-CLOSED "WE CHAMPS!"

Not the first time either. I watch Giannis when possible, he often grabs 10+ boards (not Westbrook style, the "real" rebounds) all while lopez ends up with 2-5 at the most. Dude is alergic to it.

 

Or how about it's by design, so that the glamour stat, like a rebound, goes to his teammates instead?!?

So you're telling me that playmakers like Bron and Zo, who could get the board and instantly push a fastbreak, wouldn't have benefitted from an effective boxing out center like BLo?

 

I try not to make excuses for 7'ers.

If you're good, you rebound AND box out. Not one or the other.

 

And I try to see the whole picture.

Dude is in the top 5 in defensive box outs and is top 7 in blocks per game (1.9 vs McGee's 2.6).

He can also stretch the floor on offense seeing how he's one of the better shooting stretch 5s in the league. And he definitely woulda helped our FT shooting seeing how he's hitting at a 80% clip.

And it would have cost us what we're paying Beas (who isn't even playing and should clearly be at home with his family right now).

Not too many things you can fault our FO on imho, but they f***ed this one up for sure.

 

lopez has been an important part of what has probably been the best team in the nba thus far. don't care about his rebound totals. i care about paying more for stephenson and beasley when lopez wanted to play here.

 

It's interesting. I do agree that not resigning him was a bad move at the time.

On the other hand, I wonder if we bring in Chandler if we've got Brook. If not, then the front office kinda stumbled its way to a better fit for the team.

 

I completely get how people can feel this way for sure. Hard to determine a better e-fit. We need a new stat on percentage of blockouts that led to a rebound.

Morey? Where you at bro?

 

probably not. but would we have been in 1st place with mcgee/lopez and never even considered adding chandler? can't say. i can say that lopez fit just fine last year and can shoot from all over the floor, creating space for our team of drivers.

anyway, it was a foreseeable bad decision. not like the steve nash trade, which, imo, wasn't as obviously bad as it turned out. this looked bad day one and still is bad.

 

I'm surprised he took as little as he did for a contract. I wonder if the FO just assumed he would demand more and went another route. He WAS coming off a huge contract of over 20+ mil a year right? Unless they had a specific discussion about it, no way his agent is throwing out there "Hey we'll sign for peanuts"

That conversation should have taken place, but it might not have. If not, I hope they learn from it and never make assumptions ever again. He was a solid defender, could spread the floor, and actually still had decent post moves. Our current big men are more lob threats than anything else, whereas Lopez could actually create his own shot if needed.

 

I got you...

Nearly 90% of BLo's box-outs led to a team rebound. However on the flip, only 22% of his box-outs led to him personally securing the board (for reference, Whiteside leads the league getting 64% of the rebounding opportunities he positions himself in for the box-out).

 

so you're saying....



JK, but it does seem like the bottom line is the job is getting done. Still seems very weird to have a 7 footer with 1-2 rebounds on a regular basis.

 

I'm saying he effectively boxes out so that his teammates can secure the board. He did the same thing for us last year too. Some of it has to do with boards going to McGee, TC and Bron but Zo and Hart are avg 1-1.5 boards less per game this year compared to last season.

 

Oh I definitely see that. Ultimate team playerish, but takes a bit to think of that position differently and view it as being effective without actually getting rebounds himself.

I'm still ok on the fact that we passed, but it's always interesting to virtually plug in a player and think about their fit. We had him and could have found out, and we passed. Hard to believe we ended up paying Beasley a similar amount. I just don't think they'd thought he'd sign for so little, or just didn't see the fit. Or maybe they didn't value assisted rebounds via blockout as a stat.

 

Very interesting discussion. I never knew how valuable a box out could be in this aspect. Amazingly he’s able to assist rebounds.

 

TIME: I'm not going to be dissuaded by 1 game. He's 11th overall (just behind Giannis) in +/- rating for the season.

Look at his on/off impact towards his teammates:

Antetokounmpo: Ortg w/BLo on 114.0 (582 minutes) Ortg w/o BLo 102.1 (333 minutes)
Middleton: 116.0 (604 minutes) 102.3 (232 minutes)
Bledsoe: 114.8 (660 minutes) 103.3 (211 minutes)
Brogdon: 112.1 (470 minutes) 99.6 (339 minutes)

I've been a TC fan and I'm thrilled we got him even this late in his career. But you can't take away what BLo's done for the Bucks. He's been their only player addition this year (before the recent GHill trade) and the team is flourishing (although Coach Bud needs some shine in that regard too).

 

@vasashi17 bringing the facts!

besides the Lebron stuff you make up, you're a huge asset to this site bro.

 

#(Troll)GameRecognize(Troll)Game

But I just looked at what thread we're in. So your compliments are probably a slick troll...well played!

 

Yeah the fact that renounced Randle (evne though he asked us to, why the f*** did we oblige?), and let Lopez walk (while signing Lance and Beasley)...it just screams incompetence from the front office.

We honestly got lucky with Tyson Chandler...because we literally rolled into the season with McGee as our only center and a plan to play LeBron at the 5 (or KUZMA at the 5...terrible).