2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    Ummm.....who won? Am following wife around the aisles in Target. Duke I'm assuming?
     
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    Winslow carried duke to the win. very impressive. huge rebounds and big shots.
     
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    No, it's his kid. I've been following him for a little over a year. He's a really intriguing skill set.
     
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    Winslow is playing his way to the top spot for small forwards in the draft. He has really pulled it all together these last few days.
     
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    Yeah, I watched a few of the Zag games.

    Not quite like his dad, more high energy, athletic player. Arvydas was super skilled for his size, it was a shame that he wasn't able to join the NBA earlier.

    Fiery attitude though.
     
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    I'm just starting to have Sam Dekker on my radar screen. First impressions after having him on the screen from listening to others here and watching parts of his huge game against AZ are: athletic, "money" type playmaker/shooter, 6'9" tall and super versatile. Since Winslow as opposed to Johnson is not as good defensively and seems to be a bit of a "chest thumper" "me" player.......what is better about or would make Winslow more attractive than Dekker??
     
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    I think Winslow is more natural, but it's about upside. I think what you see is what you get with Dekker while there's some more ceiling to go for Winslow.

    Personally I'd love Dekker. I think you could plug him into an NBA position and get 20 minutes out of him if you don't ask for too much. He was one of steals of the draft before the tourney. Now he'll shoot up draft boards.

    I still want Johnson before Winslow or Dekker because he provides more solid defense than either, but the gap has certainly closed. If you want to take Dekker or Winslow before Johnson... I ain't mad at it.
     
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    yes, it is his son.
     
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    Thanks for the scoop realdeal.
     
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    Dekker is having a great tournament and I think he would be a great pick up if we could somehow move up and grab him in the middle of the first round. But like I hinted at above, I'm not sold that Winslow isn't as good as Johnson defensively (or at least he isn't that far behind Johnson). I also don't think he is a "me" player at all. I'm not sure where that came from, but nothing about the kid says he isn't a team player. At least not what I have seen. He has celebrated a few times and had a gaff the other night that lead to an easy layup for his opponent, but he made up for it with a great game.

    I do think he has a higher ceiling Dekker.
     
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    Hmmm...I have seen Wes doing a lot of that; he'll occasionally remind us that he's ultra athletic by having a swat like that or a highlight dunk. I haven't seen any of his man defense, his ability to close-out, his lateral quickness to keep up with guards, the ability to fight through screens, take charges, be in the right places, and use intelligence; i.e. if someone is good going to their left forcing them to their right, and being fundamentally sound. Not to take away from what you're saying, it's just so easy to get caught up in, 'wow, he did just that,' instead of somebody just make the right fundamental play on defense.

    By the way, I've seen Stanley doing all the above defensively; he's quite capable on that end; offensively, he might be a work in progress, but that defense that he brings his top notch. I'll have to pay more attention to Winslow because I know all of the physical tools are there for him to be an excellent defender. I'll record the Final Four game, read scouting reports of Winslow, and try to fin more video of him as we go forward toward the lottery...
     
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    Winslow does have a higher ceiling. He also moves off the ball quite well evidenced by the game in Utah when Okafor was getting doubled; Winslow cutting and moving nicely and doesn't necessarily need the ball to be effective.
     
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    Actually, right now I would probably lean toward Stanley to be honest LOL. I mainly wanted to point out that that Winslow is a pretty good defender and I don't think he is necessarily a me first player. I have been tough on him in my comments, but I know Stanley is a talented guy.
     
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    Winslow isn't a bad defender by any means, but Stan Johnson is excellent on that end. I don't have the know how to make a video or anything, but he was amazing defensively in that first half against Wisconsin. We've had enough sample size at this point to know Stan is just a great defender.

    Winslow is better offensively, especially his ability to get into the paint and finish at the rim. Dekker isn't as good as either, but he's maybe smarter. He makes the right play every time.

    I'd be happy with any of them, but if we're picking 5th I want either Johnson or maaaaybe Winslow.
     
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    Man I hope we can keep the pick...
     
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    Not sure if this has been posted before but its a nice breakdown of Stanley Johnson's on ball defense.
     
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    A longer video, but an in depth breakdown of Johnson matching up against Michigan.

     
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    Very nice. He's going to be a very good defender at the next level. I also think his rebounding and steals will translate has well. Johnson, Clarkson, and Randall, are a nice trio...
     
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    Video didn't play.
     

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