2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. therealdeal

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    @lakerfan2 here's your boy when he found out he gets to use Kobe's locker during the NCAA tournament:
     
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    With that level of talent, I'd risk it. Randle hasn't played this season either, and he's heavier than Durant, but I still think he'll be someone in this league. Durant has missed so many games this year, sure... but before this season he did not have very many problems. Westbrook missed a ton of games in his career, but again -- for that level of talent, I'd pull the trigger and whatever happens, happens.
     
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    haha nice.

    did you see his press conference after their last game where he started throwing out big words to try to throw of the stenographer? it was hilarious.

    wisconsin vs the tar heels tonight. gonna be a big game. if you haven't focused on his play, he's hard to miss. like i said, he's pretty much like Stanley Johnson in terms of size and build. if he makes himself available in the draft, i'd try to snag him in the 2nd round, if not, that houston pick.
     
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    Yeah but here we are killing ourselves to get that Top 5 pick who would be younger and ostensibly healthier. Why not keep him and try to get Durant in FA? It's the same argument we had with our pick last season (before it became Randle) for Love. I think most landed on the other side of the fence on that one. Obviously Durant is better than Love, but the pick would presumably be higher too.

    I just feel like in this case, if you get the pick it would make more sense to go after Durant in FA. Keep the pick, develop him, then Durant looks and says "Oh! They've got ____ that's a sweet deal!".
     
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    I missed Wisconsin's last game because I figured they'd more or less cakewalk to the Sweet 16. I'll check him out tonight.
     
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    Yeah, I agree. I'd definitely target Durant in free agency if possible. But it's all pure speculation at this point. I am afraid that, if they want to trade Durant early, he's going to go somewhere else and re-sign there. We'll see.
     
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    Pretty similar to Love too! The hot rumor is Durant to Washington, but I'm not sure I see that. Like you (or someone?) said: Durant's people are going to want him in a huge market. His on-the-court product has taken a huge hit, so it'll be really important for him to hit the FA market and look at his opportunities. Going to Washington would be interesting because it's his home town. But other teams he could end up with: Boston, Denver, or Houston (teams with assets that the Thunder might like) I don't see as good competition for the Lakers in FA. All things equal, if Durant hits FA and we've got a) a good young core and b) the cash to get him... We've got to be among his top suitors.

    Especially if we leave room for his buddy Westbrook the next summer.
     
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    I would not trade anything of value for KD. Kelly, Hill, Black our Houston pick, Lin, Young, all our 2 round picks for the next 10 years, thats my offer.
    What if he walks in FA like Howard - you never know. The DH trade was a good one - even when he walked, imagine having Bynum on max contract on the roster right now. That was probably the alternative. We gave some picks away, but thats better then 20mil dead money.
     
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    Like I said in the NBA injury thread, I do not want KD at this point. I will just copy and paste my reasoning here.

    I speak from personal experience with his exact injury and exact situation. Jones Fracture surgery, screw causing discomfort. The problem is even with surgery, the bone may never fully heal and then you have to leave the screw in. I broke mine in September of 2013. The bone still has a gap. So it obviously isn't healing without perhaps a bonegraph (which I can't do right now and take myself out of commission from work). That means I have no choice but to leave the screw in, else the bone may break from just stepping wrong on a dog toy. And the screw head is causing the pain. There is no pain at the actual break site where the gap remains, but the screw head can either rub on the cuboid bone (like Durant) or the actual hard bone portion that has nerves is simply is not fond of a foreign object. And the pain can be pretty bad. I have an ongoing prescription for Vicodin that I don't take all the time, but I went to Disneyland over Christmas and I had to pop a few throughout the day.
     
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    We've given up too much for vets in recent history and paid for it. I don't think that model works nearly as well as it used to regardless of the talent. You shoot yourself in the foot mortgaging your future and the development of your young, cheap assets. You find yourself cap strapped with a couple stars and D-League bums surrounding them.

    I am pretty sure OKC will deal one of them before they hit FA, which one...I'm not sure. But for us, we'd be in a much better position holding on to our assets and pitching whichever one hits FA when we have actual pieces to surround them with. Otherwise, I fear we'd be looking at the Smush Parker years 2.0. OKC will ask for our pick, Randle, and Clarkson; conversation ends for both parties right then and there -- might be able to negotiate JC out of it, but a top 5 pick and Randle is too much for US to give up for anyone.

    If they move KD this summer, the Knicks would be in a much better situation to get him. Rumors are already swirling Phil is willing to move the pick (it'll be higher than ours). He could include Larkin, Hardaway, and Early. OKC continues to reload on young assets and keep even deeper without giving up anything they aren't already without.
     
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    I don't think NY has anything to offer in a trade. Larkin looks average at best, Early has been disappointing, Hardaway is alright. Even if you include Towns with that, it's not a great offer. The Lakers could beat that I would think. Black, Kelly, Hill, and the Top 5 is a better offer I think.

    But I agree. We should sit, wait, and worst case scenario we have a bunch of young guns to rebuild "the right way".
     
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    Depends on the pick, if the offer was Okafor (NY #1) or Stanley Johnson (LA #5) then I don't think it's even close. Also have to consider that would theoretically gives them the advantage in talks with Kanter. They could afford to let him walk.
     
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    I don't know man. I still think they could get better offers elsewhere.

    That's certainly what's on Phil's mind though.
     
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    He was there for Mario Hezonja, but the Barcelona coach didn't play him. LOL
     
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    Good! I'm not interested in that guy...
     
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    I've heard a lot of comparisons to Channing Frye, but I'm thinking more like Okur.
     
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    Okur is close, I think he's a little more skilled offensively than Okur was. He's got a good arsenal of post moves, he can shoot outside, a great passer, he can even take players off the dribble. A closer comparison in my opinion of watching Frank is a level below Pau. Pau was just so smart offensively in combination with his size, he was always a tough cover. Not that I think Frank doesn't have the same IQ, I think Pau was just that good.
     
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