2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. Savory Griddles

    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    I would trade for Lillard if it only cost us Ball. Problem is, if we trade for Lillard, we can't sign Kawhi in the offseason. That would be 109 million between Lebron, Kawhi, Lillard, Ingram, Kuz, and Hart. The cap holds would add another 5 million or so. We're 7 million short as the cap is expected to be around 107 million next season. We'd have to work out some sort of sign and trade for Kawhi with the Spurs involving Ingram. Although, I gotta admit, A starting five of

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    If the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs is still strained by August heading into camp, I could see them being more reasonable on a deal. If it costs Ingram and some picks and maybe Hart, I'm 100% in on a trade. Why wait? George is a cautionary tale.

    And all this "no one wants to play with LeBron" stuff is hilarious. Weren't people saying that about Kobe? Please.
     
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    Lillard is also the one guy I would trade Lonzo for. Lillard is a straight up killer and I love his game. As I mentioned before Lonzo has a looooooong way to go to get to his level. Granted he's a very different kind of guard and I'm not comparing their games per se, I just mean that in terms of development Lonzo is a few years behind a guy like Lillard and that is important given Lebron's timeline here. I think Lonzo is a better fit with Lebron and what we are trying to do, but they made it work with a ball dominant point guard in Cleveland with Kyrie.
     
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    At this point, I'm not in on the trade Ingram for Kawhi trade. I was, but I think Kawhi's situation is different that PG's. I think we need BOTH of them to have any chance at beating Golden State. We need Lebron, Kawhi and a year 4 Ingram playing at close to an all star level. A year 4 Ingram is better than anything we'll be able to get top put next to Lebron and Kawhi.
     
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    Lillard is not a point guard, he is a short shooting guard. Lonzo is a true point guard, as is Rondo. They don’t need to score to be effective, Lillard does. When Ball and Rondo are off offensively they can still kill you defensively and with their vision/IQ, if Lillard is off offensively he has nothing else to fall back on (we saw this in the Pelicans series) True point guards are a rarity in the NBA now and we have two of them. Lol, I’m not giving that up for anybody.
     
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    Great column by Jeff Duncan on Cousins. Thanks for posting that Elginthegreat. That confirms exactly what I thought - we did not turn down an MLE level contract offer from him. That only went to GS after he had exhausted his other options. $15 million? No thanks.

    I am trusting in Magic and Rob. They set us up for success with move after move thus far starting with trading DLo and Moz, drafting BI, Lonzo, Hart and Kuzma, trading Clarkson and Nance for cap room and pulling off the most monstrous move of the offseason getting Lebron James here to LA. I don't mind the one year contracts either as it keeps us in play to get Kawhi. The only sadness I have is losing Randle but it began to seem inevitable given the Mintz relationship and the limitations it would put on us to sign him for more than a one year deal.
     
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    No one wants to go to the Clippers, come on.
     
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    And I'm fine with that too, Lakeshow85. I'm a big Lonzo fan so I don't want to see him go, and I agree with you Lonzo is a much better fit for us . . . but I really love Dame's game and he is a big time weapon. For me it's just that he delivers a ready to go product and mindset for us to win now. Lonzo's got a ways to go, hence bringing in Rondo at this time.
     
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    We could just as easily wait and have Kawhi “and” Ingram on the same team. I’m saying we don’t actually “have” to get Kawhi, it would be nice sure, but I don’t think we are desperate and the Spurs are asking for too much. They’re trying to fleece us the way Ainge did Brooklyn and it ain’t happening. At least I hope so, lol.

    I think it rings true for both players. People didn’t want to play with Kobe because he was an intense a-hole. This era is soft so they didn’t want to deal with that. They just wanted to have fun playing basketball whereas Kobe wanted to win.

    I don’t think it was far fetched to say that “players didn’t want to play with Kobe” players talk so I’m sure there were Kobe stories that had traveled around the league. Players like looking at intensity from a distance, they don’t want to deal with it head on.

    The same can be said for Lebron. Again players talk and the stories are true. Stars have regressed playing with Lebron and that’s not conjecture, that’s facts. To be fair I don’t think “all” stars don’t want to play with him, but certain star players with certain mental capacities don’t want to play with Lebron.
     
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    That’s fair. We’ll see what happens right. I hope we do keep him.
     
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    Exactly. Not to mention that we will be a more attractive destination than the Clippers in that time frame, so I just don’t see him going to the Clippers, unless what I alluded to earlier is true.
     
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    Right. The front office knows what it’s doing and has earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.

    I knew there had to be more the Cousins thing and now it makes sense.
     
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    I'm with Jeanie: "if there's a player that doesn't want to play with Kobe, they're a loser." Same applies with LeBron. Everyone has egos, I get it, but in the end rings are all that matter. The Warriors get it, that's why they keep f***ing winning. You don't build a dynasty by needing to be the man. Who was the man in the 80s? Kareem? Magic? Worthy won a Finals MVP. Fans who don't know would say Shaq was the man in 00s, but all us Laker fans know it wasn't nearly that simple. If anyone isn't willing to come here and be 1b to LeBron, then see ya later. Doesn't bother me in the slightest not having that kind of person here. They're all just Dwight Howards.

    I want Ingram and Kawhi, but there's no guarantee it happens. If Kawhi goes to Philly, I'd bet he stays honestly. And maybe we're okay with that, maybe we just trust we can snag somebody else in FA, but if we don't have to take that chance, I won't. I'd rather have LeBron and Kawhi in hand with a couple of the kids still around (I want Kuzma here long-term). You put Kawhi and LeBron on the same team, I believe that's the best wing duo since Jordan/Pippen. If we can do it, we should.
     
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    Seriously, thanks for posting. This is the best.

    I've sent it to friends and watched it 3 times. Made my day. It's like great comedy movies, it's full of great quotes.
     
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    I agree 1000%

    That perimeter would be deadly and I understand the idea, I get it, I’m just not okay with it. If it happens I’ll have to accept it like I did Lebron, but I would definitely not be happy.
     
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    The second star needs to be a player who can shoulder the load when Lebron starts slowing down.

    As much as I am ecstatic about acquiring him, he is 33 and probably has 2 good years left, IMO.

    So, who can that guy be: Kawhi, Lillard, Beal, DeMar, etc.

    We need to be very selective.

    And yes, I said DeMar; LOL. He might be too soft mentally. I know...
     
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    No to DeRozan. I like Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, Lillard, Klay.
     
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    I hear you. I definitely do.
     
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    Fixed it for your important decision making processes, such as they are. :giggle: ;)

    "And yes, I said DeMar; LOL. He might be too soft mentally. I know..."

    I know you know and just forgot Pop. See I fixed that as well.
     
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    @Lakeshow85 - so you wouldnt trade our young guys for "literally anyone"?

    Giannis says hi as do others. Dont get me wrong i appreciate the infatuation we have with our young guys but if i can get someone relatively young who already has the skills we need as opposed to keeping guys we may truly never see get to their full potential...

    im goin the former
     
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