The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    Meh. No surprises. Byron doing Byron things...
     
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    I don't know what message he's trying to send. I can't think of any rational reason for starting Lin. If I were Scott, I'd have him and Boozer glued to the pine. Like I said in another thread, if he wins 55 games over this season and next and it's 25 then 30 wins, he gets canned. If it's 18 and 37, he doubles his win total and is moving the team in the right direction. I just don't understand his logic. There is little to nothing he could do to get fired this season. So why not give your team the best chance it has to win next season? There is no exaggeration or hyperbole in this statement: "Byron Scott's tactics and stubbornness have the potential to cripple this franchise for the better part of a decade."
     
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    We need losses. Anything that leads to wins right now is unacceptable. It's a lost season. Keep the pick at all costs.
     
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    I don't know what Byron is doing. He is so amazingly mediocre/bad at everything. Doesn't have any real offensive scheme, but his team plays historically bad defense. He can't win, but he can't even tank properly. His rotations make absolutely no sense at this point. I have great respect for Scott the player, but this will not do. I'm sorry. I know this is his first season, so I'll ignore most of these mistakes - but if he continues like this next year... I will want him gone by the end of 2015-2016.
     
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    I don't care what he's done for the Lakers as a player back in the day but if he loses that pick, hes stagnating out rebuild for several years. Byron might honestly be dumber than a sack of potatoes and pringles.
     
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    I have no words....

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    Byron makes so many head-scratching decisions. His constantly-shuffling lineups suggest tanking by way of preventing any chemistry from developing but just about everything else he does appears to be an attempt to win games. There are two very clear paths to walk: 1. Build for the future. 2. Play the vets and get wins to build some respectability.

    Obviously path 1 is the correct choice, and in fact right now it's lined with flowers, trees, sunshine, and everything else that would suggest someone should walk down that road. By contrast path two is a dark, decrepit trail lined with corpses and Kardashians (not that there's much of a difference). Our coach, meanwhile, is sitting at the fork in the road with one foot on each side, unable to commit to either direction.

    The worst thing the Lakers could do this year was lose a ton but win just enough to lose the pick, and that's exactly what Byron seems determined to do. It makes no sense and if I saw Byron in person it would be difficult to refrain from shaking him while screaming " What's wrong with you?!"
     
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    Scott would have been fired after this year if he wasn't a Laker great. I hate to sound like a broken record, but he's just a terrible coach. He doesnt know what he's doing and isnt good at any particular thing. He gets away with a lot from the franchise and people here because of his playing days.
     
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    I agree but we have already fired/gone through 2 other coaches in the last 2-3 years. At some point we cant keep hiring and then firing somebody every single year.
     
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    Right. He has to be here at least 2 more seasons. Going into his 4th year, we just won't pick up his option.
     
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    My hope is that in spite of "appearing" to be clueless about the absolute necessity of hard core tanking needed at this very moment in Lakers history, we luck out in spite of him and get what becomes ultimately a great pick and cornerstone player. Then with the much improved roster next year his play with pride mindset actually does take hold and we build from there doing it the "right way".
     
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    Yeah. We can't keep going through coaches especially when we clearly have no talent on this team. Byron has been aggravating, but our roster just isn't very good right now. He has the least talent to work with of every coach in the post Phil era. I think he gets a shot at showing what he can do with more talent.
     
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    I won't judge anything this year. It's just too weird of a season. I need to see how he does with a full team, or at least a fuller team than this year. He has these guys at least playing hard so that's one positive I see. But again, I'll have to see him in a year where we have more of a realistic shot at the playoffs, which I hope will be next season.
     
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    Exactly. When the team is trying to tank, things will inevitably look different.
     
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    I bashed him in the Game Day thread; but this I agree with

    ‏@LakersSBN Mar 10
    Of coaches with 1000 games coached, Byron Scott now has the second worst winning percentage (shouts to Kevin Loughery)

    "You are what your record says you are!" - Bill Parcells
     
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    We're officially ranked #30 on nba.com. Here is what they have to say about Scott:

    "Byron Scott is a month away from ranking in the bottom five in defensive efficiency in his fourth straight season on the bench (with a one-year break between his stops in Cleveland and L.A.). That feat has been pulled off before - by Tom Nissalke (four straight full seasons) and d*** Motta (six straight) but not in a league that had more than 23 teams."

    Don't get me wrong; this works for me as long as we're getting closer to that high pick. I am a little bit concerned about next two years though.
     
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    He's a far more pressing concern me. We'll get our pick, draft a great player and retool this roster, but Scott will still be our coach; here's what Soriano said of Forum of Blue and Gold when the hire went down...

    'Scott, to me, is a guy who has not shown to be enough of a tactician over the course of his coaching career, often lacking in ability to make adjustments or build schemes that optimize the play of his role players. Sure, Scott seemed to do well enough when Jason Kidd and Chris Paul orchestrated his offenses, but beyond putting the ball in those players’ hands and letting them do what they do best, Scott underwhelmed. Further, his last stop in Cleveland has done his reputation no favors as he steered the Cavs to three consecutive losing seasons while also boasting an NBA worst 26 game losing streak in his last campaign. Scott hasn’t sniffed a head coaching job since then.

    Beyond that, Scott’s reputation has a coach who can overwork his players — much in the mold of his mentor Pat Riley — is well known. Long, hard practices have been the norm for Scott and that can start to wear on a team — especially if they’re losing. Add to this that, despite good relationships with Chris Paul and Kyrie Irving, Scott seemed to start to get tuned out by his players at every previous stop and it is a legitimate concern that he is more of a Scott Skiles type of coach who isn’t really long for any one job for longer than the length of one contract.'

    http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2014/07/26/report-lakers-to-hire-byron-scott-as-head-coach/

    I don't think much has changed this year, IMO
     
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    Well to that article, we can't have it both ways. Demand tank from him and then b**** about the team's defense and other stuff once all the injuries determined our course and took more away personnel wise from what wasn't strong to begin with. I more enjoy watching this team play than D'Antoni's 3 ball chucking blowout losses.
     
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    ^I have said multiple times that I am fine going into the lottery with the 4th worst record; I don't complain about being competitive or winning games. I've tried to be realistic throughout this process and realize that we weren't going to lose every game. That just isn't realistic. My gripe has been with Scott for other reasons; scheme, player mismanagement, rotations, end of the game clock management, etc. This stuff has gone on since the beginning of the season when we weren't tanking and we were all collectively rooting for wins on this board. It's also go on in Scott's past stints and there seems to be no change in his approach whatsoever. Either way, it will take the next 2-3 seasons to get this roster back into contention, IMO. So, WTS, by the that time that happens, we will move on from Scott.
     
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    Scott was never meant to lead us to the Promise Land. He was meant to build a culture of winning again and wash the taste of loser-ness out after D'Antoni and Brown infected our franchise.

    The one and only important thing he does right now is keep our guys playing hard and fighting for the win. I think there's a role here for Scott and he's doing it about as well as can be expected.

    Once his contract expires and the young guys have a culture of fighting and working hard, you bring in a guy who is better with Xs and Os.
     
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