Official Salary Cap Info, Questions, And Impact On Fa's

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  1. LakersN4

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    I think you actually can use it, but the penalty for doing so is you get hard capped. For example the Clips only had the mini MLE last summer, but they still offered Hawes a deal for the full MLE. They ended up getting hard capped because of it & had to dump some salary in order to sign additional players.
     
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    That is good news, i would use it on Ellington or Lin, but some dumb Gm will offer Lin something like 3/18 and will then use draft picks to get rid of him...
     
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    My understanding is you must be above the Cap AND under the luxury tax threshold before FA period begins and you're able to sign players. I believe the Clippers were above the luxury tax threshold, so they shed salary to get below it befor inking Hawes' deal. You can agree to a deal with a player, but you've got to mess with the numbers to make it work. We did the same with Nick Young and his contract.
     
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  4. LaVarBallsDad

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    After a meeting this week failed to produce a compromise, the NBA is now preparing itself for the largest salary-cap jump in league history for the 2016-17 season.

    It's a move that could have significant implications for potential 2016 free agents like Kevin Durant and LeBron James as well as teams that have positioned themselves to have cap space, most notably the Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks.
    The NBA announced Wednesday that the players' union formally rejected a so-called "cap-smoothing" proposal the league put forth to manage the influx of revenue that is coming with the $24 billion television deal with TNT and ESPN that begins after next season.

    NBA teams using internal data are projecting the salary cap to jump to between $88-92 million per team, sources told ESPN. To compare, this season the cap is set at $63 million and next season it is projected to land at about $66 million. To put it into perspective, the largest salary-cap jump in history is $7 million in one season. What happens in 2016 could triple that leap.

    Owners have been trying to avoid such a spike because it would dramatically raise salary levels for free agents that season. James, for example, could take his salary from about $22 million next season to around $30 million if he signs for the maximum salary in 2016.

    National Basketball Players Association executive director Michele Roberts previously announced the players had unanimously rejected the NBA's offer, which would have artificially lowered the salary cap to prevent that big spike and phase in the increase over several years.

    The NBA suggested that the difference be given to the union in a lump sum and divided evenly among all players. So instead of a few free agents in 2016 benefiting, all players would get a smaller piece of the TV rights deal increase. But Roberts believed long term it would not be a benefit to the players.

    "The proposal that the league submitted ... would artificially deflate the salary cap," Roberts said over All-Star Weekend. "And that, of course, meant that players' salaries would not increase as much as they would otherwise were it not for smoothing. That pretty much was what killed it. It killed it in the eyes of the economists that made the recommendations, and it killed it in the eyes of the players."

    NBA Commissioner Adam Silver and Roberts met Tuesday to talk about a compromise, their first formal negotiating session since Roberts was hired last summer, sources told ESPN.

    The league, however, had little incentive to make a deal. The collective bargaining agreement that was signed in 2011 cut the players' portion of the revenue pie from 57 percent to 51 percent. The deal has functioned extremely well for the owners, who have seen operating margins and franchise values increase significantly. Now the players are prepare for the deal to function in their favor. Silver essentially admitted over All-Star Weekend this likely would be the outcome.

    "I don't want to act like it's a terrible problem to have, where we're thrilled that based on the interest in the NBA we're able to command these big increases in the television market," Silver said. "And we will live with our deal."

    Broadly, this development likely means two things for the short term of league business:

    • There may be some free agents this summer who only accept one-year contracts so they can retest the market in 2016, when it will be awash with available cash.

    • The likelihood of a lockout in 2017 when both sides can opt out of the current CBA just increased significantly if not unexpectedly.

    http://lakersball.com/threads/official-salary-cap-info-questions-and-impact-on-fas.573/page-2
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Mar 11, 2015
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    This is awesome and goes against what some on here predicted would happen with the cap. When I first posted that the cap could be in this type of range a few said , no it'll be 70-75 at the most. It's not a done deal yet but this could be a huge boon for the Lakers. $88-92 million is a huge increase. It could also allow us to screw ourselves for a long time if we throw money at the wrong people.
     
    Alcindor, Mar 12, 2015
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    I don't think we would throw money at the wrong people; if anything, the FO has done a good job evaluating talent for the most part, and I think we should be fine.
     
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    How much does this really help? I'm fairly certain that the cap going up significantly also increases the max contract number significantly. So while 40 million in cap space sounds awesome, max contracts are now much more lucrative. And if max contracts are higher, those second tier guys are going to get more...It's basic economics. This summer is key to get some good players under contract with NO opt outs. Monroe at 15 million with an opt out next offseason is essentially a one year deal. same with Dragic. we need to lock down players with 4 year deals at this summer's cap number.
     
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    Well it still helps a lot actually. Let's say the Cap jumps to 88 million. A max contract starts at 30% of the Cap so you're talking about 26.4 million starting salary. If we go into the summer with 40 million available we'll be able to max someone and STILL have significant room to add to a good roster.

    Dragic/Clarkson
    _____/Hou 1st?
    Durant/Young
    Randle/Davis?
    Towns/Black?

    With another 14 million to go. That's a hell of a team don't you think?
     
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    Yes, if everything falls that way. I'd slot Middleton in there at SG as an offseason pick up this season. But soooo much has to go right to make that team. We need to move up in the draft and not lose our pick outright. Dragic has to leave state tax-free money on the table in Miami and Durant has to choose us when he has never even talked about the Lakers.

    I know you are Professor Optimism 'round these parts, but that's a lot of dominoes that need to fall right.
     
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    Actually I'm wrong! The max-max is 35% of the cap so the salary would start at 30.8 million. So we'd have 10 million left which is still a lot of money when you've got a great base already.

    I'm not counting on Durant honestly. I think when the time comes the Lakers might choose Westbrook over him. Westbrook has been linked here pretty often, he's got that killer vibe, and he's an LA guy. I think it makes more sense for the franchises even if I'm not in love with Westbrook's style.

    Even not counting future FA eggs before the hatch the base is what's important:

    Dragic/Clarkson
    Middleton/Hou 1st?
    ______/Young
    Randle/Davis
    Towns/Black

    That's a pretty damn good start right there. Any prospective FA would look at that and think highly of it, especially considering the Lakers will still offer a max deal so it's not like there's a lot of money left somewhere else. Sure CA has taxes that Miami doesn't, but being the star PG for the Lakers will make you a lot more money than being the star PG for the Miami Heat.
     
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    That's why so many "experts" are saying next year's FA class will be only open to 1 yr deals, or a 2 yr deal with a opt out the 2nd year.
     
    Ryanwestlombardi, Mar 13, 2015
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    Yeah. They're saying Love may not even opt out.
     
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    Jonathan Givony@DraftExpress · 55m55 minutes ago
    New salary cap projections sent out to NBA teams: 2015-16: 67.1 million, tax 81.6, 2016-17: 89 million, tax 108. 2017-18: 108, 127 tax

    Jonathan Givony@DraftExpress · 53m53 minutes ago
    NBA Salary cap projected to rise by over 22 million between 2015 and 2016. That's a pretty big jump. Not official until audit around July 10

    Jonathan Givony@DraftExpress · 51m51 minutes ago
    Further projections sent out: 2018-19: 100 million salary cap, 121 tax , 2019-20: 102 salary cap, 124 tax, 2020-2021:107 salary cap, 130 tax

    Jonathan Givony@DraftExpress · 48m48 minutes ago
    Obviously a 40 million dollar jump in the salary cap between 2016 and 2018 is going to be very very interesting for teams, players & agents.

    Jonathan Givony@DraftExpress · 47m47 minutes ago
    Would be shocked if better players decide to sign four year deals this summer (w/no outs) with amount of money coming in the next few years.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Apr 17, 2015
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    Marc Stein✔@ESPNSteinLine
    Max salaries will routinely cross the $30 million threshold annually once NBA life begins with a salary cap that strays beyond $100 million
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Apr 17, 2015
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    I'm late, but as I understand it, the room exception is available if you start under the cap and spend up to it. technically, everyone has the MLE, but you have to renounce it to use your cap space, so it becomes useless to a team with space.

    and full MLE is only available to teams who wouldn't cross a certain salary threshold in using it. the former statement was true in the last cba, and the latter was new to this one--that's the apron stuff.
     
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    Whoa.
     
    LALakersFan4Life, Jun 4, 2015
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    Good deal. Spend this summer like there's no tomorrow!
     
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    That's not news, but it's good to hear it from the Commish.

    The numbers I've been operating with in my head are 67.4 and 87 million respectively.
     
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    LaVarBallsDad, Jul 13, 2015
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    We still have the room exception for $2.8 million dollars.
     
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