2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    I would be furious if we traded any of our young core for DJ just because it would appease LaBron. That would be exactly the kind of BS move I would fear with LLLLL coming to the Lakers.... they better not mortgage the future for that douche
     
    Barnstable, Jun 6, 2018
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  2. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I thought you guys might feel that way. :D

    Keep in mind, what I'm suggesting isn't viewed in a vacuum.

    Lonzo/Thomas?
    George/Hart
    Ingram/
    LeBron/
    Jordan/Robinson?

    That's an insane team. That's a team that could very well give Golden State a run.
     
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    Yeah. It would sting a lot to lose to Kuzma, but I can see it.

    If we land LeBron everyone needs to prepare themselves for the inevitable loss of couple of guys in our young core.
     
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    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    And while it would be very bittersweet, it's probably necessary for us to cash a couple of these guys in so we can compete at the highest level.

    As long as we keep a couple, I cant get too mad.
     
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  5. TIME

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    Leave Kuz alone!


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    TIME, Jun 6, 2018
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  6. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    .......

    Anything can happen?....
     
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  7. vasashi17

    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    With the recent report that DJ could be a secret target of ours, this is how I see it...the Mavs could be a potential Deng dumping site. Also a S&T for Jules (if he doesn't sign a Mave offer sheet).

    Jules/Deng/ pick capital to Mavs
    Nerlens/Matthews (expiring) to the cLips
    DeAndre (opted in and expiring) /Bradley (re-upped to MLE type money) to Lakers

    We give them Jules and a ton of draft capital for Deng. This allows Dallas to use those extra assets to move up from 5 to 3 to secure Bamba. Mavs ain't competing for the note and I'm sure they know that.

    Jules will be missed, but we get a rim protector, a rim runner and an expiring to possibly go after Kawhi later in the season (Deandre is a Texas native). We also get Avery on a modest deal and that would be so clutch defensively on the perimeter with Zo, PG and BI.

    cLips are capped out and cant replace DeAndre if he chooses to walk. With Noel in a locked up new deal, they at least have something to show for it and get Matthews on an expiring deal to sure up the Brqdley loss.

    Bron/PG/Jules vs Bron/PG/DJ/Bradley...yeh, I'll take it especially if you're in win now mode.
     
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    Cookie The Dame of Doom Staff Member

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    First I have to root for Lebron and now you want to add DJ. You guys are pushing me over the edge. :Kobepuking:
    I did like the part about getting rid of Deng though.
     
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  9. vasashi17

    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    The thought of missing the postseason 5 straight years while watching cupcake...be deemed as the next Kobe????

    :Kobepuking:

    You're one tough cookie, so don't be like that other soft a** baked good. You're better than that. Ohh, here comes another batch...

    :Kobepuking::Woozyshaq:

    :Brows:
     
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    I'm with Weezy on this one but on paper that team looks dangerous as hell. All the right pieces to go up against GSW/HOU and whichever team comes out of the East.
     
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    Well as always, stats need to be put in perspective. A lot of the stats you listed are proportional to team success, especially stats like win shares and eFG%. Plus/minus is more about the discrepancy between the players that share the same position. Randle plays the PF/C, so with the Lakers, it's Lopez, Nance and Kuzma. None of them are scrubs.

    I view Capela as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. I feel these type of one-dimensional bigs are overrated. I'd much have a Randle/Draymond type of big moving forward, especially with our team. For a ISO-ball and PnR-reliant Houston team, Capela is undoubtedly a better fit.

    At any rate, I guess we can agree to disagree on Capela > Randle, but do you honestly feel Capela is 140% the player Randle (max vs $18M per) is for our team?
     
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    If the Lakers really need a rim protecting big man who can finish around the rim, why not entertain trading into the top 5 of the draft to try to get Mohammed Bamba?

    To me Bamba looks like the next unicorn. Rim protector with Insanely Long arms, can shoot 3s, and apparently he ran a faster 3/4 court sprint than Russell Westbrook. I’m not even sure how this was possible:
    https://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-mo-bamba-posts-sprint-time-faster-john-wall-russell-westbrook/

    This guy is like something you can only create in NBA 2K. He’s Rudy Gobert with a 3 point shot and Russell Westbrook speed. Just insane.

    If we are going “all in” on James/George, it also does make one of Ingram/Kuzma redundant because they all are best fitted to be small forwards. There’s only so much playing time in the wing positions.

    Ingram has the highest value, so what if the trade is Ingram + Deng dump for a top 5 pick?

    I mean think about it... Bamba is projected to go into the top 5 and I’m willing to bet Sacramento (#2), Atlanta (#3), and even Dallas (#5) might entertain this. All 3 teams mentioned also have the cap space to just absorb Deng’s contract without needing to send salary back to the Lakers.

    Someone needs to check me on this because I’m still uncompletely sure how much cap space we need to get 2 max guys and keep Randle. So I’m going to assume it works after shedding Deng and Ingram and only taking back a rookie contract.

    You have a more balanced lineup this way with:

    Bamba
    Randle/Kuzma
    James
    George/Hart
    Ball

    Fill out the rest of the roster with what you can via free agency (vet Min, if we can keep Zubac/brant) and off we go.
     
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    Not trading Ingram for a dude who has never stepped on an NBA court who isn't even a consensus top 3 pick. Ingram made a giant leap from year one to year two. If he makes even half the leap he did last season he's a 20 ppg scorer with ridiculous length and handles. Not trading him in order to get a wafer thin kid who has never played in the NBA.

    Don't get caught up in pre-draft hype. The guys that cover the draft HAVE TO make everyone think this draft is full of NBA superstars. They do it every year because it's page hits/views. If they come out and say the truth, no one will pay attention to it and it will be like the MLB draft.
     
    Savory Griddles, Jun 7, 2018
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    Sorry, but that's just the prism of some of those stats. If you want to downplay Capela's Win Shares, his eFG%, and his +/-, what about the fact he had 15 more steals and literally 3x as many blocks as Julius in 156 less minutes (roughly 4-5 less games worth)? What about the overall efficiency? The rebounding? The BLK%? The TRB%?

    To label Capela as one-dimensional is again selling him short. He's an elite rim protector, a very good rebounder, and a strong vertical threat. If anything, he's a much better fit for what we're trying to do as a team because the gravity he attracts going to the rim draws defenders away from the 3 point line which then opens up the defense. Julius simply doesn't do that. What Julius provides for us that Capela doesn't is high level passing ability for a PF and the ability to rebound and push the ball. To be fair, they play very different positions and would have different roles in the team.

    All I'm saying is you're selling Capela very short. His efficiency is a product of Houston's system, but everything else he does is on him and he performs admirably. As for whether he's worth a lot more than Randle, I'd say he is worth more than Randle to a lot of teams. Elite rim protectors that run the floor are rare and like I said, they always get paid. For us, it's different because Julius is our RFA. For us, Julius is probably close to equal value, but we'll see how the summer goes. I have a growing suspicion that if LeBron/George come, Julius is out not only because the Lakers will need the money, but I think they'll go in a different direction with the Center position.
     
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    Agreed; people have a short memory and are only considering his poor performance throughout the series with gs.

    And I think a lot of people are all-in with Randle because of the work he put in over the years to develop within our system -- sort of like a sunk cost, his efforts should not factor into the equation here.
     
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    To be fair to Clint too I thought the Rockets were far better with him on the floor than off. The +/- doesn't agree with me, but his ability to challenge shots inside and hustle for balls while Harden and Chris Paul isoed for 48 minutes was impressive. He also ended up still averaging basically 11/11 with 1.1 blocks and nearly an assist in under 30 minutes per game.
     
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    This guy really let his wife take the fall.

    edit- She factory reset her phone and then took the fall for him. The investigators basically said: Brian denied everything and we couldn't find proof he did it, but she took full credit for it.
     
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    dall isnt doing that trade
     
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    OK, so Capela is a better off-ball defender, as in rim protecting and reading the passing lanes. Both players struggle against stronger/bigger players. That much is undeniable, but I like Randle's on-ball defense better. Ironically though, the knock on Capela is exactly what you mention --- his inability to stay on the floor, due to his conditioning/stamina and free throw shooting. As for the rebounding, I think Julius would produce similar numbers if he lived in the paint like Capela.

    On the offensive end, it's not even close. Capela is spoon fed lobs from two of the best playmakers in the game, whereas Julius creates a lot of his own shots, while creating for his teammates as well.

    All in all, Capela is the player with more holes to his game, making him much more one-dimensional than Julius, who has become a dynamic player on both ends of the court. Having said all that though, if you think they provide equal value to us, I agree and I really have nothing else to argue ;)
     
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